Yes, Jewish law applied to citizens, although iirc foreigners could become such also - not chiefly a "race" so much as a culture, bound by laws. Also, it was relatively advanced for its era (many thousands of years ago) - e.g. avoid pork especially with blood aka Salmonella, and treat literal slaves better than many countries treat their employees today. Women even had rights - less than men but they were there, unlike so many others in the regions nearby. Also, why leave out the closely related verse "husbands, also submit yourselves to your wives..."

Anyway, it's a violent bloody history of conquest and genocidal practices, I'm not trying to say otherwise, just adding that "love thy neighbor" is kinda cool and if people would ACTUALLY try doing that, whether bc they read it in this book or otherwise, then the world would be a far better place than it is today.

Some of your arguments need polishing though - e.g. give up your possessions and follow me was an optional offer, which was declined. Too bad, bc greed is a soul killer, no matter what religion someone claims they believe - just one look into the eyes of Zuckerberg or Bezos or Musk should anyone who has a soul. Money is essential to live, but the LOVE of it is the exact opposite, and I stand with Jesus and whoever says so (the Buddha I believe may have uttered thoughts along similar lines... Zen).

And no, justice in the Old Testament did not mean that - that came later, and iirc wasn't so much called by justice. In the OT, it was rather an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, and unless I miss my guess, most passages talking about justice like that mean like administrative people, as in judges (and mayors and the like) should not accept bribes. Which... really? Surely you aren't arguing that they should! Remember the New Testament admonition of people who heap heavy burdens into others without lifting a finger to help? Even - many even say especially - Jesus called out bad religion whenever warranted.

The burn in hellfire forever thing was also Jesus in the New Testament. Like a computer program that malfunctions, you trash it and if needed, buy a new machine. So too people will be discarded (it says). Oh well. Why get worked up about it though - are you thinking that you are among them? 🤪 But criticize it properly, using what it actually says, if you want people to listen.

Hey, believe it or not, there's even a verse for that: test everything against what you know to be true. Almost like the Bible initiated the scientific revolution. Belief in magic was old, and eventually culture got better - but you are looking back with the wisdom of hindsight, and even then can't get your arguments to match, sorry I don't mean to be mean but it comes across as being true. Your anger is besides the point of logic.

Also... weren't YOU the one who brought up the Bible into this conversation, not me? Yes there's crazy shit in there, so maybe use that stuff rather than mismatching and negging and giving atheism a bad name by offering this level of argumention?

Learn from Jesus: forgive and let the past go, you'll be so much happier that way. Leave it behind if you want to, no need to allow it to cloud your vision any longer.

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Women even had rights - less than men but they were there

You're a sexist shitbag.

Get out of our world.

unlike so many others in the regions nearby.

Irrelevant. The lesser of two evils can still be fucking evil, and we fucking know better.

Also, why leave out the closely related verse "husbands, also submit yourselves to your wives..."

Because it doesn't say that, scum fuck.

Anyway, it's a violent bloody history of conquest and genocidal practices, I'm not trying to say otherwise, just adding that "love thy neighbor" is kinda cool and if people would ACTUALLY try doing that, whether bc they read it in this book or otherwise, then the world would be a far better place than it is today.

Jesus neither invented nor embodied the golden rule.

Can you read?

Money is essential to live, but the LOVE of it is the exact opposite, and I stand with Jesus and whoever says so (the Buddha I believe may have uttered thoughts along similar lines... Zen).

So you admit the point you tried to make about paying workers is completely null and void?

And no, justice in the Old Testament did not mean that - that came later, and iirc wasn't so much called by justice.

Because god is abusive.

In the OT, it was rather an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, and unless I miss my guess, most passages talking about justice like that mean like administrative people, as in judges (and mayors and the like) should not accept bribes. Which... really? Surely you aren't arguing that they should! Remember the New Testament admonition of people who heap heavy burdens into others without lifting a finger to help? Even - many even say especially - Jesus called out bad religion whenever warranted.

Because god is abusive. Jesus frowned on anyone who didn't submit to Jesus even when he was wrong. Stupid, deadly shit.

Fuck yourself to death.

The burn in hellfire forever thing was also Jesus in the New Testament. Like a computer program that malfunctions, you trash it and if needed, buy a new machine.

So god is not all powerful? Or he chose to make things shitty?

Dumbfuck.

So too people will be discarded (it says). Oh well. Why get worked up about it though - are you thinking that you are among them? 🤪 But criticize it properly, using what it actually says, if you want people to listen.

No, cuntbag, I care because real human beings on the same planet as me use this cancer to make their decisions.

Hey, believe it or not, there's even a verse for that: test everything against what you know to be true.

And it is true that there is no god, evidently.

Almost like the Bible initiated the scientific revolution.

Wrong. Stop stealing credit.

Belief in magic was old, and eventually culture got better

Evidently not, you still put your faith in a wizard.

but you are looking back with the wisdom of hindsight, and even then can't get your arguments to match

My argument is very simple: I believe there is no god because no one has shown me evidence or reason to believe there is one.

sorry I don't mean to be mean but it comes across as being true. Your anger is besides the point of logic.

I'm angry because your baseless bullshit is getting innocent people killed. Dumbfuck.

Also... weren't YOU the one who brought up the Bible into this conversation, not me?

No, idiot, it's in the original post.

Yes there's crazy shit in there, so maybe use that stuff rather than mismatching and negging and giving atheism a bad name by offering this level of argumention?

Atheism is correct until we have evidence for god's existence.

Do you have evidence, or just condescending dipshittery?

Learn from Jesus: forgive and let the past go, you'll be so much happier that way. Leave it behind if you want to, no need to allow it to cloud your vision any longer.

No, fuckface. Learn from reality. We can't undo the past. My parents abused me because they believe in god, and FUCK YOURSELF TO DEATH for encouraging them.

Murderer.

https://snoopsqueak.com/videos/fys

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The excuse your parents used was their religion, while the excuse you use when you abuse others is your anti-religion. The two share a lot more in common than they differ.

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago

The difference is evidence. They chose lies, they chose violence. I was violently forced to be like them, no choice.

Never falsely equate deadly bullshit with life-saving reality. The abrahamic faiths are death cults, you smug dumbass.

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago

Too bad, bc greed is a soul killer

Throw your phone in the trash and never bother us again, then.