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[–] TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"That's Cute." -Machiavelli

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ooh. Very stigmatized ethos surrounding that one. Guess I need to find out what the heck happened there

[–] TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The short version is that Machiavelli is a rather profound Stoic philosopher, but everyone misses that in a lot of his work he is being slightly sarcastic to throw the "powers that be" off the scent that he was criticizing them. When you hear how he suggests that "Princes should be feared rather than respected." he actually calling out the despots of his day. It's kind of how Stephen Colbert portrayed a right wing pundit on "The Colbert Report" as a way of satirizing right-wing pundits.

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Oh, okay. Well with that summary I'm at least interested in reading more and trying to see if I can parse the satire. Thanks for pointing me in that direction

Edit: Jesus this is like way obvious after you read how his career in state politics ended. But we named a dark triad psychological trait after him. That's so dirty

[–] TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

not a problem. Overly Sarcastic Productions has a wonderful series on YouTube for those looking to get into Machiavelli, and other stoic philosophers.

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Sweet. Reading Wikipedia has got me a little unsure on how to interpret him. I'll check that out next. Stoicism is kind of a personal bugbear of mine but now regardless I really want to know the truth of this guy