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[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 59 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children)

Yeah, lot of people here are falling hard for this AI rage-slop. Besides the customer on the right having no legs (or the world's weirdest chair), there's no visible way this printout is attached to the window, the reflection in the top right cuts off at what presumably is the bar top and then the reflection below it is inexplicably of a perpendicular street, the lack of a ceiling where a ceiling is implied to be and all that similar stuff, the type justification doesn't actually line up. (begrudging credit to r/isthisAI)

It's a good fake but still pretty conclusively fake. And... honestly, it's worrying that people here are falling over themselves to comment as if this is real. Ya'll, we need to try and be a little bit less credulous with boomer memes, especially ones that perpetuate negative BS like this, otherwise we're basically no better than Facebook users.

If you would like yet more proof, this hanging light becomes a window frame.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

... pretty conclusively fake.

No, not "conclusively", it could still be real. You're assuming the sign was printed directly on the substrate. As a former sign-maker, that might not be how this sign was made. It could be cut vinyl on a plastic face. The cutter might have been too small to cut the entire sign at once, and the sloppy way vinyl is transferred to the face could account for the non-convergence. Also, the drawn lines are not quite aligned to the image.

Not "conclusively".

Finally, there's no reason to invoke generational slurs or elitism in this comment. Remember, no war but the class war.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Ok boomer.

The phrase has developed into a retort for resistance to technological change, climate change denial, marginalization of members of minority groups, or opposition to younger generations' values more generally. Critics of the term perceive it as ageist, though that view has been publicly ridiculed.

"How dare the youth not be overly polite to a generation that has burned down the world and stolen their future. My god, the lack of solidarity. #NotAllBoomers."

Sincerely, if that's what you consider a slur you might want to consider reducing your consumption of the internet. This is a shitpost community, and my use above is a reference to a real and incredibly important problem with older generations and the internet. Facebook is rife with misinformation, and their user demographics skew heavily towards older adults. I'm not about to treat this issue with large padded kidskin gloves just because it could possibly offend some sensibilities.

Dude, look - it's rough to be a decent person and be lumped in with a crowd of vile people just because of some demographic quirk. I'm an american on lemmy, believe me, I get it. But, much as the rhetoric against the US is largely based in very understandable reality, so are the complaints of the youth about the boomer generation.

The only way to avoid that association is to establish yourself as a decent person, and try to change things for the better. Preaching at me about my use of a term in a mildly negative way is not the way to do that. If you want advice, perhaps reference ageism instead of trying to present an incredibly common term as being a slur.

Thermally laminated vinyl signs? I mean I suppose, but I see no indication of lifting or bubbling at the edges like you get from thermally laminating objects that are thick or with uneven thicknesses, and no signs of it on the fine inner details like the interiors of the text. It's also got far finer details than I've seen cut with a drag knife for a small sign, and there's enough variations in the text that I doubt it's been assembled from die-cut lettering sheets (not that I've ever seen a sign shop that used those). If we had a firm idea of the size this would be an easier argument to make, but even without that the cleanliness of the lamination alone makes this suspect. But perhaps they are a supremely talented laminator, one that enjoys leaving large strips around the edges like it was a laminated paper sign hung in a primary school building, and who puts vinyl cutouts on an unevenly cut plastic backing.

No, with all the additional AI-indicating details in the image, I'm sorry, I just don't see this being a credible explanation. This is absolutely, demonstrably an AI generated image.

^edit:^ ^formatting^ ^ate^ ^my^ ^spoiler^ ^text^

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

While I'm strongly against ai rage bait bullshit, I'm also strongly frustrated at tip culture.

I worked in restaurants. It's ridiculous.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

I agree - and I find it deeply worrying when social issues I consider very important are being exploited for this kind of sloppy ragebait.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That specific image might not be real, but the attitude it portrays is very real and quite common in the restaurant industry.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Zach Weinersmith, as usual, says it far better than I can:

This is an exhausting sentiment. Yes, there is a culture of tipping that desperately needs to be abolished. No, AI ragebait images are not a productive way to foster that discussion. This image is just an excuse to justify pre-existing biases, based on a completely fabricated example. It's no different from the fake "Bluehair Tumblr SJW Feminist destroyed with facts and logic, melts down!!1!" images/videos conservatives assume accurately represents all leftists. Yes, it's a real topic and real people share some of the sentiments expressed in the image. No, presenting the argument in such an exaggerated way does nothing to actually resolve the issue - it's just circle jerking about "how dumb" the opposition is, and stubborn refusal to accept that they were fooled.

"It's over kid, for I have already drawn you as the Soy Wojack" is not a way to bring about social revolution - it's just a way to let AI slop divide us further by making a ridiculously over the top caricature of our opponents into what we think they're really like.

[–] StumblingWasabi@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I agree this is ai slop, but what's with the lines in the image? Never seen that before for judging if something is AI

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

With the latest models being much better for text, it's a fairly reliable technique - comparing the vanishing point at which each row or major horizontally justified element converges to see if everything is actually aligned (as they would be if a human created it in something like word) or all subtly askew (as gen AI creates it)

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't know how reliable that is with lens distortion fucking up the vanishing point on real images.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's unlikely you're using a collimating lens, so distortion is presumed! Not only is the impact of distortion fairly minimal, with radial distortion (by far the most common kind of distortion - usually synonymous with 'lens distortion') it's actually an important aspect; the angles will follow the regular pattern of the distortion and the technique will still work (If your photo has non-radial distortion, DM me; I want to know what on earth you were doing to cause that, it was probably a really entertaining story). As in the above image, the random scattering of the intersections is the indicator that the image was AI generated, not that the lines do not intersect at a single point.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If your photo has non-radial distortion, DM me; I want to know what on earth you were doing to cause that, it was probably a really entertaining story

Technically extra radial

http://cameramaker.se/Lightfield.htm

Or whatever you describe this as

https://gfx.cs.princeton.edu/pubs/Fuchs_2012_DAF/index.php

And then there's this crazy bullshit

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2667325824001328

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not quite sure what you mean, I'm sorry! As far as I'm aware, extra-radial and non-radial are both generic terms for all the optical aberrations, prisms, distortions and what-have-yous that aren't radial distortion. Though, I'm not terribly familiar with light field optics (beyond what can be gleaned from osmosis while working with optics nerds) so that may well be a term that's relevant there and I just don't know it. Do say more tho, it sounds potentially quite interesting!

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I guess my terminology isn't precise, but those are options that can produce images which aren't as linear as expected

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Ahh, I see. Yeah, there's tons of other types of aberrations - radial is just by far the most common kind you'll encounter. Perhaps I should update the statement to include "and if messing with light field photography then you should for sure DM me", its such cool tech and I'd love to learn more about it!"

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wow, didn't know there was this type of stuff ...

I was just thinking that this sign is too off-putting to be real. No business would do that and if it were a real business why isn't there like a Google Maps thing and everyone review bombing like they typically do in instances like this.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

For sure, that's the thing that made me suspect it's fake. But unfortunately, "guys nobody did this it's stupid" is an extremely tough argument to sell on the internet, even if (as in this case) you turn out to be absolutely correct.

[–] Gaslov@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If fake it's very believable. The window reflection is pretty damn good for AI generation.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah - The image gen models have gotten scarily good in the past 6 months, and as shown here it can take a great deal of work to confirm an image is AI.

[–] glibg10b@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

With how long those lines are, they amplify the error made while drawing them by 5-6 times. So for example, the start of the top pink line is slightly too high, and that's why it passes so far below the true vanishing point

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

That is a great point! One moment and I'll break it down.

(Okay! a little bit of a comedy of errors trying to get these marked up, but here we go.)

You're absolutely correct that the top line isn't fully aligned - this is because it's impossible for it to be aligned, as the top edge is distorted. You can see in the image below that that distortion is another indication this was generated - there's a fairly pronounced distortion of the top edge, but the row of text just below it has no equivalent warping like you'd get if this were a piece of paper that was slightly bowed. This is why the top line is misaligned - it's impossible to line it up, and when that happens it's better to align from the center out, as radial distortion becomes more severe the further you get from the center. The original poster lined it up with the center to the right corner and continued it along the edge to the left until the edge "bends", rather than aligning the corners and ignoring all of the warping of the edge as I've done in green below. (I also want to point out that the image in the OP has cropped the sign specifically to remove this dead obvious giveaway that the image was AI generated)

And you're again absolutely correct that this amplifies the errors - in fact that's rather the whole point. In the interest of completeness I've extended the green line out to intersect with the lower paper edge line - you can see that even corrected, the intersection does not form a regular pattern with the rest of the lines.

^(edit:^ ^clarity)^
^(edit:^ ^even^ ^more^ ^clarity)^

[–] glibg10b@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

The mismatch in distortion makes your argument more convincing. I agree now that this is most likely generated. This is a good analysis that I learned something from

[–] weps@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

let's be clear

the image is fake

the employers not paying their employees and asking for tips is real in USA

[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Im tired of seeing that comment every time something is exposed to be fake. "Yeah but it COULD be real!"

[–] weps@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I didn't say "could be real"

I say it is real even though the picture may be fake

[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 2 days ago

It is a shitpost. Nobody is claiming it isn't fake.

But it isn't AI generated either.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Browse All and look at the upvotes. The fediverse is full of the same dumb people as the rest of the internet lol

[–] majster@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is this technique reliable? What if paper is slightly bend?

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

That will still show as a regular distortion of the alignment. If it's crumpled or heavily creased though, this isn't a useful technique.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Adding the hourly wage into the math +2 Choosing $165 instead of $150 or $100 +1, underlined can't and not underlining can't +1 star emojis around thank you +2 choosein 25% intead of %15 or %18 +1 a period of every line even with conversational tone +1 There's a lot to go on there even if you don't follow the lines.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Should... Should we call you a bondulance?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You could, but i'd have to refuse it, costs too much ;)

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Right well I'm mystified! You don't seem to be a chatbot from your post history, but I think I might just not be high enough to fully appreciate the deep, ancient wisdom in your words.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

bondulance?

We're all meat chat-bots, we're just really slow at training.

The text: seems like AI to me, even forgetting the alignment issues

Adding the person's hourly wage into the sunk cost is questionable at best, 3:1 odds AI

Choosing $165 instead of an even number for a sample. Maybe the average check is $165, but i seriously doubt it, choosing $100 or $200 would be far more likely, even 150 i might have let it slide, 2:1 odds AI

They both did, and did not, underline "can't" in a single 2-line statement. While it would have been marginally ok gramatically, the whole vibe they were going for was not 'hinged' 2:1 odds AI

Adding star emojis around thank you is a telltale AI move. 3:1 odds AI, I'd have given it more but maybe they were emulating a receipt

Choosing 25% is an unlikely target for a 'lesson' on how to tip. 15,18,20 would all be more likely, ode to ragebait, 2:1 odds AI

The tone of the whole thing was very conversational and a bit unhinged. There was a period after every line; it was like they were making a list, but it wasn't. In that frame, I would have expected no punctuation, or a comma in a few spots, feels way off. 2:1 odds AI

It read AI to me without lining it up.

in addition

The perspective problem is also deeper than the lineup. It is laminated, but it feels like it's poster-sized, which would be unusual. The camera is focusing quite close if it's a letter, (reflection looks like it's 3 ft away, which would be 1.5' x 2 , yet the reflections and the shot through the window are quite clear. The reflections show a cell phone picture, but the f-stop would have had to be narrow AF (like F11) to take that shot with distance and close-up details clear.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Ahh, thank you! Yeah, I agree that there's plenty of indications that the text is AI. But people in general like to be certain before they believe something that contradicts their worldview, and this is an opportunity to showcase a fairly quick and fairly easy way to check for AI generated text. You've raised an excellent point about the f stop / focus too - I'm not quite such a good photographer as to be able to confidently identify issues like that, but it's for sure something I'll be paying attention to in the future. Thabk you!

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Fake yes but they are plenty of people who actually do believe this. As in people who are in support of mandatory tipping. Specially during covid it was not hard to find doordash or Uber eats drivers putting up videos complaining about not getting a tip or not getting a big enough tip. He had some of them filming themselves harassing people.