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So the middle east was just as violent as Europe? Ok Cool. The middle east isn't inherently more violent than other places. To say that is incredibly racist.
People are people. They need resources to build proper lives. Lacking that, they believe they have to fight. Western governments figured out last century that in order to win the global economic war, they need oil. So they need governments friendly to them in order to secure access to those resources. Acting like this is just an ancient conflict that has no answer is ignorant.
Where did I say Europe hasn't been at war with itself for centuries? Get you're Whataboutism the fuck out of here. You suggested the middle east was at war and violent because of western powers. I provided facts that, that's bullshit....and now you're pulling some Whataboutism bullshit.
There are multiple states in the middle east that are using said oil to be more prosperous...so you're point is bullshit again.
And please tell me how ramming a car into a pride parade is somehow fighting the good fight...
You're being tolerant of the intolerant.
Ok but you did say that the middle east has been at war with itself to dismiss my point that the middle east is affected by the Wests foreign policy agenda for them. And also you implied that the middle east is inherently more violent than other places.
Yeah these are governments friendly to the West doing this and they are doing this at the cost of their local population. That money isn't being used to build community, it's being used to fund sheikhs agendas.
I never said that. Violence isn't good. I can say that unequivocally. I'm just saying is that religious extremism is created by the Wests foreign policy. Also the immigration crisis is caused by the Wests foreign policy. The root cause here is whatever motivates that foreign policy.
Because you are acting like the middle east and the terrorism that's born there via religious ideologies, is a western caused issue. It is not. Today, the middle east is more violent than other places.
There is the west being blamed...again. UAE exists and has a very high quality of life. You should check it out.
And I'm telling you, that's complete bullshit. You're once again, saying it's the fault of the west, that this happened.
Ok let's talk about some history
Why does Israel exist in place of Palestine? Because of the British policy of Zionism.
Why did the Islamic Revolution happen in Iran in 1979? It was a direct response to the coup orchestrated by the CIA in 1953.
Why did the Taliban orchestrate 9/11 despite being allies with the US against the Soviet Union in the 1980s? Because the CIA instigated the war covertly, destroyed millions of lives and empowered religious extremist warlords to dominate Afghanistan for the next 40 years.
To say the West isn't the root cause here is ignorant and lacks a historical perspective.
Bro you're complete bullshit. I'm sorry your precious West has done so much evil across the world.
Yep...and did that cause this extremist to ram a van into a pride parade?
The IR happened because the shah was a dictator, and Khomeini promised a more democratic country. It's why you saw a ton of Persians from the left (students) supporting him. The CIA did have a hand in the 53 coup, but acting like the gov. Iran has now is better is a fuckin joke.
Wait wait, you think that 9/11 happened because the CIA gave the Taliban weapons and money? You do realize that 9/11 wasn't really done by the Taliban right? The Saudis had the biggest hand in it, and bin laden ended up being the fall guy.
Again to say the west is the root cause is ignoring all the other countries that the west has been fucking with. India...the literally just got their independence from the British less than 100 years ago. A country of 1.4 billion people, and they don't seem to be fucking ramming vans into pride parades... what's your excuse for them?
O...o I'm dealing with a tankie...fuckin hell.
It's not a whataboutism, it's a necessary comparison to make it clear that the Middle-East is inherently just as violent as any other part of the world. Though seeing as we're all predominantly from European/Western countries, the comparison to Europe is especially relevant, considering the rampant bigotry and misconceptions toward the Middle-East and the Arab peoples.
You linked to a super long Wikipedia page without even bothering to quote any relevant information. Regardless, as I and the person you're replying to mentioned, all you're really proving is that the Middle-East isn't any more violent than Europe, Asia, Africa, etc.
And besides, the original point brought up was about the modern Middle-East, not its past. As it stands now, the Middle-East wouldn't be even remotely as chaotic as it is now had the West not taken such gratuitous advantage of it. You can spin the facts any way you want, but you can't get around that.
And why do you think said states need oil to be prosperous? The economies of those nations aren't happening in a vacuum. Globalization has been a thing for centuries now. Western countries need the oil, and the Middle-East has the oil. Add capitalist greed into the mix — a western product — and there you have it.
What was that about whataboutisms again? Because you're literally doing the exact same thing here. Completely unrelated. Not only that, but nobody here ever even insinuated violence like that is a good thing. What a weird thing to fabricate.
No it's Whataboutism. Please show me this rampant bigotry that is all over the EU... it's not. It's a fringe section that's popped up because people are tired of being tolerant of the intolerant.
Please, go to the middle east and let me know how that works out for you.
Yea, because India is pumping out terrorism like the middle east is...and so is Africa. Both of which are being taken advantage of..even today.
Wait wait, so your excuse for the places that are prosperous is because they're exporting oil and not driving vans through crowds of LGBTQ+ persons...at a pride parade. Hot take there...next you're going to tell me Canada is prosperous because they export steel and wood to other countries...and oil... I don't recall the last time someone in a van with a maple flag on it rammed a bunch of LGBTQ+ persons at a pride parade.
You're kidding right? They absolutely suggested that this attack is because of the west. That's all you and the other guy have been suggesting. That they're fighting back, because the west has been over there for a century fucking with them. As I said before, India literally just gained independence...in 1947...yes this past century, less than 100 years ago...they don't seem to have people migrating to the EU and ramming vans into pride parades.
Yeah? Assuming you’re not just being disingenuous, that’s entirely unrelated to your original accusation. You said, and I quote:
Ascribing a direct material cause to a terrorist attack is nowhere near the same as claiming it to be “fighting the good fight”. You’re attacking a view that doesn’t even exist here.
Anyway, since the rest of your replies here, including this one, are riddled with anecdotal bias, false equivalences and arguments from personal belief, I doubt I’ll be able to have anything comparable to a productive conversation with you, at least when it comes to this topic. Hopefully you’ll be able to get to the top of the hill with your boulder eventually and somehow manage to have a good interaction solely through the use of fallacious if not outright irrational reasoning.
And no, not even close. My comment is because everything in this entire chain has been pointing out how western powers caused this. So please stop copping out and trying to suggest it's not.
Which comes from the OP posting this:
Aka, they don't have the proper resources to build proper lives and need to fight to get that. So yes my reply of fighting the good fight fits here.
Right, I'm the one suggesting that the west is to blame for a islamists ramming a van into a pride parade.
Do you people even hear the shit you say anymore?
More tolerating the intolerant...