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[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It's not a whataboutism, it's a necessary comparison to make it clear that the Middle-East is inherently just as violent as any other part of the world. Though seeing as we're all predominantly from European/Western countries, the comparison to Europe is especially relevant, considering the rampant bigotry and misconceptions toward the Middle-East and the Arab peoples.

No it's Whataboutism. Please show me this rampant bigotry that is all over the EU... it's not. It's a fringe section that's popped up because people are tired of being tolerant of the intolerant.

You linked to a super long Wikipedia page without even bothering to quote any relevant information. Regardless, as I and the person you're replying to mentioned, all you're really proving is that the Middle-East isn't any more violent than Europe, Asia, Africa, etc.

Please, go to the middle east and let me know how that works out for you.

And besides, the original point brought up was about the modern Middle-East, not its past. As it stands now, the Middle-East wouldn't be even remotely as chaotic as it is now had the West not taken such gratuitous advantage of it. You can spin the facts any way you want, but you can't get around that.

Yea, because India is pumping out terrorism like the middle east is...and so is Africa. Both of which are being taken advantage of..even today.

And why do you think said states need oil to be prosperous? The economies of those nations aren't happening in a vacuum. Globalization has been a thing for centuries now. Western countries need the oil, and the Middle-East has the oil. Add capitalist greed into the mix — a western product — and there you have it.

Wait wait, so your excuse for the places that are prosperous is because they're exporting oil and not driving vans through crowds of LGBTQ+ persons...at a pride parade. Hot take there...next you're going to tell me Canada is prosperous because they export steel and wood to other countries...and oil... I don't recall the last time someone in a van with a maple flag on it rammed a bunch of LGBTQ+ persons at a pride parade.

What was that about whataboutisms again? Because you're literally doing the exact same thing here. Completely unrelated. Not only that, but nobody here ever even insinuated violence like that is a good thing. What a weird thing to fabricate.

You're kidding right? They absolutely suggested that this attack is because of the west. That's all you and the other guy have been suggesting. That they're fighting back, because the west has been over there for a century fucking with them. As I said before, India literally just gained independence...in 1947...yes this past century, less than 100 years ago...they don't seem to have people migrating to the EU and ramming vans into pride parades.

[–] binux@sh.itjust.works 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

They absolutely suggested that this attack is because of the west.

Yeah? Assuming you’re not just being disingenuous, that’s entirely unrelated to your original accusation. You said, and I quote:

And please tell me how ramming a car into a pride parade is somehow fighting the good fight…

Ascribing a direct material cause to a terrorist attack is nowhere near the same as claiming it to be “fighting the good fight”. You’re attacking a view that doesn’t even exist here.

Anyway, since the rest of your replies here, including this one, are riddled with anecdotal bias, false equivalences and arguments from personal belief, I doubt I’ll be able to have anything comparable to a productive conversation with you, at least when it comes to this topic. Hopefully you’ll be able to get to the top of the hill with your boulder eventually and somehow manage to have a good interaction solely through the use of fallacious if not outright irrational reasoning.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago

Yeah? Assuming you’re not just being disingenuous, that’s entirely unrelated to your original accusation.

And no, not even close. My comment is because everything in this entire chain has been pointing out how western powers caused this. So please stop copping out and trying to suggest it's not.

Ascribing a direct material cause to a terrorist attack is nowhere near the same as claiming it to be “fighting the good fight”. You’re attacking a view that doesn’t even exist here.

Which comes from the OP posting this:

People are people. They need resources to build proper lives. Lacking that, they believe they have to fight.

Aka, they don't have the proper resources to build proper lives and need to fight to get that. So yes my reply of fighting the good fight fits here.

Anyway, since the rest of your replies here, including this one, are riddled with anecdotal bias, false equivalences and arguments from personal belief, I doubt I’ll be able to have anything comparable to a productive conversation with you, at least when it comes to this topic. Hopefully you’ll be able to get to the top of the hill with your boulder eventually and somehow manage to have a good interaction solely through the use of fallacious if not outright irrational reasoning.

Right, I'm the one suggesting that the west is to blame for a islamists ramming a van into a pride parade.

Do you people even hear the shit you say anymore?

More tolerating the intolerant...