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China is bringing buttons back to cars, ending trend led by Tesla (electrek.co)

submitted 1 day ago by schizoidman@lemmy.zip to c/electricvehicles@slrpnk.net

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The regulation calls out 19 vehicle functions which must have physical controls inside the vehicle, with additional requirements about size and usability of the buttons.

Those functions include:

Turn signals
Hazard lights
Horn
PRND gear shifter
Driver assist function, if present
Windshield wipers
Windshield defroster
Power windows
Emergency call system
Power off switch for EVs

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[–] scops@reddthat.com 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Emergency call system

So this is mandating SIMs and tracking in cars? Don't love that. I'm sure the manufacturers will ensure that the infotainment system will be mostly useless if you go in and disable the tracker

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think car manufacturers don't care about the 0.000001% of people praying out SIM modules out of their cars that much.

[–] scops@reddthat.com 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Teslas hang a significant amount of their MCU functionality on the built-in SIM. Assuming the system doesn't glitch out completely, you're going to be staring at an arrow on a big gray box in the middle of a big tablet screen while it fails to load map data. They explicitly did not build Android Auto or Apple CarPlay into their vehicles because they wanted you to drive everything from the MCU itself. It would occasionally pop up reminders at me when I switched to Bluetooth Audio because I was using it to stream an app that was already native to the car (Audible kept glitching out and losing my place when I resumed on different devices).

I'm sure there are other auto makers that are happy to follow suit. I just switched from a Model 3 to a Hyundai Ioniq5 and it feels like much of the user interface was locked down until I subscribed to BlueLink.

I'm starting to get way more interested in the concept of a super basic, modular vehicle with only doodads you build onto it attached. I hope the Slate truck can make good on what it's promised so far.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 1 points 15 hours ago

I'd be fine with that tbh. as long as it doesn't fuck with actual operability.

I don't want manufacturer infotainment anyways. I want climate controls, audio controls, a good spot to mount my phone with known good software, and a 3.5mm jack for audio input.

[–] finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

It isn't clear from the article that they're mandating the presence of an emergency call system. The "if present" note on the driver assistance function appears to have been added in this article and is not noted in the list from the linked article about the draft regulations:

A draft for public comment has been completed and will be released soon, which specifically includes the following functions:

Lighting: Turn signals, hazard warning lights (double flashers), horn

Gear shifting: P/R/N/D (screen-only shifting is prohibited)

Driver assistance: Activation switch for the advanced driver assistance system

Safety/emergency: Windshield wipers, defroster/defogger, power windows, Child/Accident Emergency Call System (AECS), and electric vehicle power off switch

My impression was more that if it has that call system, it has to have a physical button for it. That said, I haven't read the regulations myself, so it's entirely possible I'm talking out of my ass.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

My work van has an emergency call system and it malfunctioned and dials it all the time, especially in low service areas. This causes it to constantly dial the SOS number and the only way to stop it is push a tiny hang up button on the infotainment system. The hands free controls for calls don't work with the SOS system. It is incredibly annoying, distracting, and dangerous. It has been back to the dealer 3 times to fix it and has yet to be fixed for good.

So a physical button for this system is very important.