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I mean that’s cute but not quite correct right? Depends on their distance from you I think. A very very long distance.
Doppler shift is based on relative velocity, the result of red shift is that stuff which is moving away fast enough to produce red shift is far away by virtue of being fast and stuff and stuff that is blue shifted needs to be far away or it will collide with you very quickly or just pass you by. The relative velocities required for doppler shift are pretty high speeds so you normally observe it in stuff that's far away, but distance isn't really a requirement for doppler shift to happen or be observed.
You're confusing 2 different but related concepts. Blueshift and redshift does depends only on velocity. In the cosmological sense, redshift (the opposite of blueshift) occurs because everything is moving away from everything else due to the expansion of the universe, and so the distance of an object can be calculated based on how much redshift there is in the light. Basically, on a cosmological scale, distance and velocity are connected
actually cosmological redshift occurs not so much because a velocity difference between source and observer, but because space is expanding while the wave is in it, or so i was told. so the wave continuously gets stretched out, which causes it to redshift. calculating it that way gives slightly different results from normal doppler redshift, i think. so it does matter.
They say relative velocity because from our relative perspective they do appear to be moving away from us. It also works when the object is stationary and you are moving towards it or away from it because from your relative position it's the thing moving away from or towards you.
hmm there might be two effects at work here at the same time.
yeah btw to comment on this: this phenomenon is probably more important than it seems at first glance. because it implies that, while there is neither an absolute position nor an absolute velocity in relativity theory, there is a connection between position and velocity. so, for each position in space, there is an associated (finite) zero velocity, or reference velocity, which is the velocity of the cosmos at that location. or at least that's what i'm lead to believe.
now, this is not at all obvious. one might argue that that's bullshit, frankly, (because it very obviously contradicts special relativity), but it appears at least 3 times in various aspects of standard models of cosmology:
if you tilt it somewhat, it's not isotropic anymore. because while expansion rate is accepted to vary with time, it should be homogenous in space. now, if you do a lorentz-transformation, these two things cannot hold at the same time. so, cosmic expansion wouldn't be lorentz-invariant?
Right, I was thinking of redshift. But now I’m even more intrigued. How does a thing moving toward me shift light blue? It’s not like the space inbetween us is shrinking…. And the speed of light is constant…
What the heck is blue shift? I need to go hit Google/wikipedia/something smarter than me ;)
I'm sorry to have to break this to you, but if you're moving at relativistic speeds, the space between you and objects in your direction of travel does indeed shrink! It's one of the freakier parts of relativity.
The speed of light is constant, however the frequency of light is variable. Similar thing with sound, high pitched and low pitched frequencies travel at the same speed in the same medium
Yes! Ever heard a car horn coming at you and then going away? It's the wave compressing and expanding.
Red shift and blue shift are exactly the same thing. If you think about light as a wave, like sound, approaching objects have scrunched up waves (blueshifted light) and fleeing objects have spaced out waves (redshifted light). The exact same reason a car horn has higher pitch when it is approaching you and lower pitch when it travels away. The intensity of the effect is correlated to the speed limit of the medium so since light is so fast this effect is typically very small.
Interesting, the interwebs just taught me that redshift does occur like the Doppler effect. Similarity blueshift in the other direction. I always thought it was just from space expanding.
You learn something new everyday!
The doppler effect you can hear when something loud passes you happens to light too. It would have to be aproaching very fast indeed however to make a red rose appear blue. (Like fast enough to fuse atoms in the atmosphere)
Thanks! I just learned this - makes sense at fast speeds. Just never thought it was from anything other than space expanding :)