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Good news for once
Maybe, but they only trying to silence them, not to solve the problems that cause their rising...
Racists and fascists should be silenced.
I'm sorry they are upset that they saw a minority or that they overheard people speaking a foreign language while being brown. They can get over themselves
You don't need to pamper these beliefs. You can lead the voters to the actual cause of the issue without allowing them to empower fascists.
Usually the real issue is economic. Lack of housing, low wages, failing Healthcare. Those can be addressed. You don't have to allow the group trying to blame poor minority groups a seat at the table. You address the real issues
"Oh no, a kebab stand on every street corner?!? What am I to do? Delicious, delicious kebab. I could try one from a different place every day and it would still take weeks to find the best one. This is unheard of! This is unfair! It's the parliament's fault! If they didn't let in so many foreigners then I wouldn't have this many choices before me. I could eat a good German currywurst, or a good German schnitzel, and not be inundated with so many options like 'felafel or haloumi?' or 'dΓΆner or dΓΌrΓΌm?'. This cannot stand!"
This cannot stand? You just said a stand on every corner! ;-)
Yes, but that was a noun. This is a verb.
(As if fascists understand grammar)
Are there not grammar Nazis? ;-)
As a stickler for grammar myself, I find that to be a misnomer.
Real fascists won't correct you on your grammar because they want you to be stupid.
Well expect the local DΓΆner shop can stay, he's one of the good ones you see
Yeah right, if AfD had their way that guy and all his nephews would get picked up at the grocery store or at the park or on their way to work or in their own homes, and saying "but I work at the local dΓΆner shop!" isn't likely to help them much.
Then all the right-wingers would start complaining when the dΓΆner shops all start shutting down, like "Those damn foreigners are abandoning me right when I need my lunch! I knew they were good for nuthin!"
It's more of a joke on the people voting for the party and not the party line itself. The party means it
Kinda the classic conservative thing of not seeing a problem until it effects them personally. Or at least a variation.
The US is seeing the same thing, spouses voting for Trump then seeing their illegal/asylum seeking husband/wife deported and being shocked because "they were doing it right, or they were good not a problem"
The cognitive dissonance is amazing
Or ICE scaring off workers and food rotting in fields and construction work being slowed. It's infuriating on many levels.
And then complaining when they can't buy tacos for lunch...
The AfD doesn't really give a shit about foreigners. They mainly use them to gain votes. All they care about is money and power. Blaming foreigners for all of the problems is the easiest way to get votes. They hate poor white Germans almost as much as brown people.
Hmm, I wonder who else tried this strategy in Germany's history... π€
It's the fash-test way to gain power.
Apologies for the shitty pun. But only if it made you groan
At first glance I thought you meant like a litmus test for fascism. Like dip this strip of paper and if it turns red that means the person is a fascist.
Oh, they care about foreigners and who they behold to be foreigners. They already had a conference, in quite close proximity to the Wannsee, to discuss how they would like to handle them. No extermination, yet. But the Nazis also didn't start with death camps but plans for deportation or ethnic cleansing or remigration like it is called today.
(Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Potsdam_far-right_meeting)
You're absolutely right. But it is more a means of controlling anti-sentiments to gain votes and it works really well because they instill a fear into people that actually isn't real. I'm fucking scared of what will happen when they come into power. What I meant with my comment is that they hate anyone who isn't rich. A rich foreigner has nothing to fear as long as they play along. It's disgusting.
Which problems do you mean here?
Neoliberal policies that take wealth way from everybody but the rich and gives it to them.
I do not know about other EU countries but in my country these far right voters want MORE Capitalism/Neoliberalism, not less.
Oh yes, that is the whole stupidity about it. They suffer from it, like we all do, and then they want more of it. But they need to be dragged towards leftist policies or they will drag us all into the abyss.
Because fascist parties have a scapegoat and clear things they want to change. Meanwhile the centrist parties that claim to be "left" are just sputtering around doing more of the same or window dressing approaches that do nothing, and are more interested in stopping the actual leftist movements that will help people and stop fascism.
The paradox is that they'll blame taxation for being broke even if the actual reason is capitalism.
I reckon one major reason is that taxation is the visible part of your money being "stolen" whereas capitalists profiting off your labour is... well, potentially visible if it's a private company and the owner flaunts his wealth, but generally if it's a big publicly traded company, or a foreign multinational, etc, you need to be looking at the annual reports or something, because there's no real local boss taking all the profit.
Unfortunately at the stage we are at we dont have enough time to only fight the root causes.
Maybe true, but these are the consequences of ignoring (or creating) the problems but as it seems they don't even care to understand why AfD get so many support.
Only silencing them now will end with AfD with more votes and even less time to attack the root causes.
Of course the current German government doesnt care for the root causes. CDU has always sided with millionaires and promoted suppression of the working class. They are hoping to shut down AfD while staying in power. On an EU level, we cant really do more than this but its the least that needs to happen.
Then they are even more stupid...
Oh, yes, we can do way more.
Think about to impose some sort of limitation to indiscriminate immigration, think about stopping to try to punish the members that do not accept illegal immigrants, think about starting to work to preserve the industries and workplace in Europe, think about how to make outsourcing production less cost-effective for those who do it.
There are a lot of thing EU can do if they want.
So you want to support the incorrect narrative of those xenophobic liars that it's because of immigration instead of the real reason, out of control capitalism with the rich getting richer?
No, I was pointing out that there are things EU can decide to do that make points that are behind AfD rising moot. Which is the solution if we want to solve the problem and not just hide it.
Up until politicians do not understand that AfD (like the far right wing parties in general) are the effect and not the cause, AfD and the like will continue to rise.
AfD has a xenophobic narrative ? Yes, of course. But they was also offered an easy target.
Let's be real: if there would not be all these illegal immigrant in our cities (I am sure that the problems we have near the Milano Central Station are common in many cities) AfD would not have a target. If we had done something when all the jobs were moved to cheaper countries they would not have a target. The rich are getting richer because we are allowing them to do so.(*)
True, there would always be some fascist around, stupid people would always exist, but they would be just a small group of fanatics that are irrelevant like the dozens of other parties (never hear about the Popolo della Famiglia italian party for example ?) that get 0.something % votes at the elections.
Silencing them it's like sweeping dust under the rug: sure, you can't see it, but the dust is still there and sooner or later it will come to bite you.
(*) BTW, thinking that all the problems are caused by the rich getting richer is the same thing that thinking that all the problems are caused by immigration: it is false. Both of these thing are aspects of the same problem, not the cause per se.
Oh I wasnt talking about what the EU can do to promote fascism, I meant opposing it.
Let me understand: wanting to have some controls over unchecked immigration and to preserve jobs in EU is fascist ?
What was your idea of opposing fascism then ? Simply sweep it under the rug and think that just because you can't see it, it doesn't exist?
You mean the problem that almost all media is controlled by right-wing billionaires?
yes, thats big problem. But it's good to at least take away some power from the party
Maybe in the US this is true, not here
No, you are not taking away some power from them, you are simply giving them more "weapons". It would not be that difficult to frame this as "look, they want to silence us because we talk about $PROBLEM they caused"
first they came for our russia backed nazis
then they came for our russia backed commies
slippery slope amirite!!!
And there's not even any ICE over there!
(Don't read too much into a silly pun)