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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Their scripture literally tells them that they would be persecuted.

And they were... for the first four hundred years...

Not so much anymore, though. Unfortunately they don't view the bible as a historic document, but as the infallible and timeless word of god...

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yes. Was 380 when Christianity became state religion in the Roman Empire. I believe that was also when they had all these councils to codify what's in the New Testament etc. I remember some notable exceptions from history class, like the Nazis. Some shenanigans between the Catholics and the Protestants, the French Revolution, Communism... But other than that, they've mostly been at the giving end during the 1646 years after that.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The edict of Milan, legalizing (ending official persecution) was in 313.

Unofficial persecution might have continued in pockets, but also it’s reasonable to believe that persecution was far from universal going into the fourth century.

All Jewish authorities in the first century were far less persecutial than the scriptures claimed - and Rome probably saw the matter as a domestic dispute (“bruh, just don’t start a rebellion and your cool”) until they started spreading out from Judea.

Most of the deaths of disciples are recorded in apocryphal works that are more fantasy than not. (Or just made up wholesale by people like Eusibious)

[–] Stonewyvvern@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

Oral history with a bunch of humans who never under any circumstances exaggerate.

Oral history remembered by a bunch of drunks with memory issues.

Oral history remembered by victims.

Oral history remembered by a bunch of angry drunks who never hurt nobody and didn't do nuthin.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

they don't view the bible as a historic document,

It's not even very good at being that. There is a lot of misinformation, events that are provin false by other historical data and self-contradiction within its pages.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 22 hours ago

I meant historic document as in a document written at a moment in history, not necessarily an accurate historical account.

Like, Homer wasn't a historian, but a historian specializing in ancient Greece would certainly read Homer to glean an idea of the beliefs, values, and ideals of the people during Homer's lifetime.

Modern christians don't even view the bible as a collection of documents that were written within specific contexts at specific moments in history, they try to remove it from all context and interpret it in a vacuum as if it was all equally applicable today