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In an intelligent, rational country demsocialists and liberals would each have their own separate party.
The US is constitutionally saddled with first past the post voting, which makes more than two parties difficult to represent at the national level. For some reason the two existing parties are unwilling to change that.
Nothing stopping us but the people in various states that vote down attempts to implement it or the legislature critters that seek to outlaw it.
No we aren't. It's tradition. We can switch to STAR
Misinformation. I literally vote rank choice in the US.
Over a dozen states have already banned ranked choice voting. The establishment knows that if it were to catch on then elected officials will more accurately reflect the actual will of the people and undermine the liberal hegemony, so they banned it.
demsocs are liberals
Clearly the liberals disagree.
Well its liberal infighting. DemSocs mild reformist approach is too much left for the centrists that unironically praised Reagan, so the DNC then fights the DSA harder than they fought Trump.
I get that from your perspective the DemSocs are mild reformists, but from the perspective of people who are in the center of liberal ideology, the DemSocs seem radical. It's all relative. To you they're all just liberals, and you don't make a strong distinction between them, but the two groups see themselves as strongly distinct from one another. And thus, to my original point, that's why in any other democracy each would have their own separate party, instead of having to fight each other for control of one of only two parties.
@TheDemonBuer Fully aware, but i was under the impression we are discussing it inside a radical left space?
Liberalism already dominate 80% of online non chud spaces and i want to not pretend that someone like nancy pelosi is on the left.
So yeah they themselves may see it that way but leftist do not.
Leftists ain't going anywhere but in circles anyway, so I don't see the point of looking down your nose at people that are finally beginning to generate a bit of positive momentum.
There's not gonna be some grand workers revolution that disembowels capitalism. Capitalists won't give up without a fight, people won't want to pay that butcher's bill, and Communist states have historically not fared well under pressure from capitalist rivals. Unless some global natural disaster threatens modern civilization on a fundamental level, capitalism or something like it but worse (cyberpunk-style "corporations are basically the real nations" thing I guess?) is likely here to stay.
What do we gain by playing No True Scotsman with people who are pushing in the same general direction?
@grinning_serpent WE already did have plenty of SocDem Countries including Germany, where even the conservative party CDU pushed for it in 1949
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BCsseldorfer/_Leits%C3%A4tze
Those policies will always get overturned eventually. Think ofthe New Deal in the USA only took till the 70's to undo it and reagan to implement the opposite.
Liberal policies cant work longterm its an historic fact.
Also stop coming to leftist spaces and berate us for not thinkign like you.
Indeed. And since I'm not a radical leftist (even though, as we've already established, liberals would view me as such), I'll move along.
Liberals also think they are on the left, so what the disagree on is irrelevant
Here in the US people use liberal and left interchangeably out of ignorance. But the liberals being referenced in this story understand that they are not left wing which is why they refer to themselves as "centrists." Demsocs are to their left. Demsocs might be to your right, but demsocs are definitely left wing in the context of US politics. We have established over and over again that to more radical people such as yourself, demsocs are "just liberals" and not left wing. That's fine, that's your perspective. The liberals who call themselves centrists have a different perspective, and theirs is far more common in US politics than yours, and therefore it is very relevant to anyone who cares about what's happening in US politics.
Demsocs being to their left is as meaningless as Democrats being to the left of Republicans when they all defend the same systems of oppression and want to work within the lose systems
What makes you think that?