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cross-posted from: https://discuss.online/post/41813187
^(Persecution)^
Theres a catholic weirdo in the comments of the crosspost that so perfectly exemplifies this meme. Yelling about us living in sin but my gosh the outrage when you imply the church is the largest pedophilia coverup in history...
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ahem
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To be fair, it was the largest until capitalism and the epstein class came. The Church has been taking some Ls since then.
im not yelling
thats because it isnt
Except it is? Wanna enlighten us about what the church does when it finds out a priest or other clergy men is found to be a pedophile? They certainly aren't turning them into the police.
they go to jail in the Vatican itself or Italy
30-35 years is the max sentence in the Vatican tho, as life imprisonment was banned by Pope Francis
Less than three years for this first ever case…
perpetrated on vatican territory
I understand they only have jurisdiction in the Vatican, but your comment made it sound like it’s a more common thing than a one off occurrence.
Personally, I find it pretty telling that the church didn’t take the abuse seriously until they started bleeding followers, affecting their tithes.
the Church charges you? I think it heavily depends on your diocese or area but its voluntarily and doesnt literally have to be 10% of your income
Nobody said it wasn't voluntary, just that it was impacted by the public's understandable disgust over the rampant pedophilia the church enabled - and once that happened, suddenly the church is mustering its response.
Also quit dodging the question - why present it like it's a common thing for the church to have done, when it's happened once?
Shit dude, we can lie too if that's the game you want to play lol
Oo! Oo! Ask them if any priests have gone to jail in the vatican for it! They totally dipped on answering that one the last time they trotted out this tired act, maybe they've figured it out since then! I know there's been one, but has there been two??
As far as I can tell, just one, Father Gabriel Martinelli. They probably didn’t answer because the guy got less than three years
You mean it's absolutely devastating to their argument and they're just ignoring it? A catholic?!? No, they would never!
and in other countries, they are usually handed over, or sent to another country to be arrested
No way that you honestly believe this.
No they’re not.
When the church finds out about it and has any choice in the matter, they ship the offending priest to some other church to keep reoffending.
In fact we still don’t know the full names of everyone they know about.
The only time a priest has been prosecuted is when secular institutions have forced the matter. You know. By arresting them and sending them to trial.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
The Vatican has called the content of the allegations “criminal and morally reprehensible,” adding, “those acts were betrayals of trust that robbed survivors of their dignity and their faith. The church must learn hard lessons from its past, and there should be accountability for both abusers and those who permitted abuse to occur.” Pope Francis has also issued a striking personal apology, saying “we showed no care for the little ones.”
most of these cases are from the US, and the entirety of the bishops in the US dioceses and archdioceses and the vice president and president of the USCCB were summoned to Rome for this
the Protestant reformation in the 1600s was in part backlash to the commoness of priests breaking their vows, with women, each other and with young boys. It was so rampant they considered celibacy to be the cause of the corruption and by removing its requirement hoped to prevent the more immoral (for the time) of these acts (Sodomy and pedophilia)
The abuses and cover ups up the last century arent a new thing, theyre just the latest in a long history and the onky one the church hopes people still remember.
the word part doing a lot of heavy lifting there
and can I have a source?
Asking the Vatican about Catholic sexual allegations is like asking Trump about Epstein's child trafficking
Apologizing for covering up the biggest pedophilia ring in history doesn't make the cover-up or the pedophilia ring non-existent, they're just admitting that they did in fact cover it up.
This feels like when a cop is put on paid suspension after shooting someone. They were summoned?!? Oh man, I hope they made it out alive.
Why is it even relevant that most cases happened in the US? The Church certainly didn’t help with rampant sexual abuse in the Canadian Residential schools. They didn’t do anything to stop unwed women from forced labor and non consensual adoptions in Ireland. When one of my loved ones was assaulted by the principal of the catholic high school she worked at, she told the diocese. Their response was to send everyone, including the victim, to sexual harassment training rather than fire the creep. That was less than 20 years ago.