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[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 1 day ago (4 children)

They are also absolutely floating in oil wealth.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 29 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Norway is a stupid example. Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Iceland easily have the same level of welfare or arguably better than Norway in many regards. The key is to make public investments into the country's resources (be it farmland, forestry, mines, electricity) and build infrastructure and institutions that benefit the people.

By investing directly, you are doing the thinking instead of deferring judgement to bankers and the "invisible hand" that's really just a bunch of rich dudes with their own incentives that don't align with yours. You cut out billionaire middlemen and money doesn't have to "trickle down", and you can steer the behavior of your industries and universities toward causes that take your country's needs over time into account.

That's how good investors think about their business empires - why should countries choose to not strategize at all and just let nature do its thing?

[–] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The World Bank had a 1993 report that basically concluded government industrial policy was to be avoided if the goal was to grow wealth broadly. This guided (or was representative of the views of people in power) decisions on international aid and other conditional support to developing countries for decades.

Leaving development of industry and technology deployment entirely to the private market economy didn't work. Countries with the highest average standards of living, or the most improvements in standard of living, have had significant government guidance of the major industries in their economy. Only this year has the World Bank issued a new report acknowledging this: https://www.bu.edu/gdp/2026/04/24/from-paradigm-maintenance-to-paradigm-shift-a-mood-change-on-industrial-policy/

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

Finland

We're currently suffering from the nazis-in-government disease. Of course social services are still better than in, say, the US, but we had a decisive downwards trend in the past 2 years. Plus scandals. TBH I don't think they'll get re-elected.

And I'm sure many Swedes and Danes would have something similar to say about their own government. Maybe even Norwegians? Idk. My point, "socialist" Nordic countries are not immune from the scurge.

[–] myrrh@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 hour ago

...fascist propaganda, governance, and nationalistic zero-sum resource hoarding are trending globally; i fear it's only a matter of time until regional conflicts escalate into global warfare...

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 2 points 9 hours ago

Absolutely. I can only speak for Sweden but we have massive problems.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 74 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

All the other scandinavian countries that don't swim in fossil fuel wealth are still doing pretty well, though. Also, lots of countries that are rich in natural resources don't actually let the majority of their population participate in that wealth.

[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 1 day ago

Oh yeah, good on them for managing their oil wealth in a way that benefits their society.

They could also have been like the UAE. Or the US.

[–] icanbrewmushrooms@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Lag@piefed.world 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The US citizens are definitely not oil wealthy.

[–] icanbrewmushrooms@lemmy.world 28 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

That's my point. America actually has roughly 10 times as much oil as Norway, but in Norway everyone benefits from the oil rather than just a handful of mega-rich oil barons.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 15 hours ago

USA also has about 60 times as many people as Norway. The USA certainly has an above-average amount of natural resources per capita, but it's not quite "swimming in oil"-level.

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 20 hours ago

Won’t someone think of the ~~billionaires~~ trillionaires!

[–] Lag@piefed.world 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[–] icanbrewmushrooms@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 4 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Oh wow, I knew Venezuela was rich in oil, but damn!

[–] Womble@piefed.world 8 points 16 hours ago

IIRC Venezuela's oil is both a bit shit, and hard to get at but they have huge amounts. That's why they're not as rich as UAE

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 3 points 16 hours ago

Honestly, it's incredible that it took the US so long to invade them.

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

True, and worth a reminder. But they choose to do, well, social things with it*. In addition to more "normal" social welfare stuff they give money to people who live in the very North, just for living in the North.

They also have so many waterfalls that all their electricity is hydro, and they have too much of it.

They tried to sell it cheaply to the EU some decades ago but of course our energy lobby blocked it.

* also cultural etc. etc. Like another commenter said: they choose to let their people participate in it