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Welcome to c/vegan@lemmy.world. Broadly, this community is a place to discuss veganism. Discussion on intersectional topics related to the animal rights movement are also encouraged.
What is Veganism?
'Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals ...'
— abridged definition from The Vegan Society
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Resources on Veganism
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Here are some documentaries that are recommended to watch if planning to or have recently become vegan:
- You Will Never Look at Your Life in the Same Way Again
- Dominion (2018) (CW: gore, animal abuse)
Vegan Matrix Instance:
Vegan Dating App Veggly
A fun game you can play if you find yourself in an argument/debate:
Vegan Fediverse
Lemmy:
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Other Vegan Communities
General Vegan Comms
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Vegan Food / Cooking
!homecooks@vegantheoryclub.org
Debate a Vegan
Vegan Food Scanner
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You seem to be missing that it is 0% ADDED sugars. They are not lying about anything here (at least as far as we know).
Should they include the percentage for the 24 grams that come from fruit? Yes. Does that make the label misleading? Yes. Does that mean they are lying about there being no sugar in there. Absolutely not! In fact I'd say they are being very clear about where the sweetness comes from, as they should be.
I didn’t miss anything. It says total sugars 24g and then leaves that line blank. Then it says no added sugar when apple juice is the second ingredient, which itself should be illegal. It sure seems that you are bootlicking the purveyors of this unhealthy quaff.
Immediately calling me a bootlicker, even though I pointed out the label is misleading, classic internet...
And yes, you are still missing something. Added sugars means sugar added in later into the batch to make it more sweet, the same way you'd add sugar into your tea. Label "Includes 0g Added Sugars" means they added 0g of sugar, simple as.
On the other hand, that juice still has 24g of total sugar. You correctly pointed out that it comes from apple juice concentrate (and other concentrates, and banana puree). Fruit concentrates can be used as sweeteners and should be counted towards added sugars in other products, however not in the case of juices. The reason for that is very simple - because then nothing would ever be juice. All of it would just be very sweet water. In the same vein, that would be like taking a bag of sugar and calling it a bag of air with added sugar. That doesn't make much sense, does it?
Let's say for a minute that you are correct and sugar from these fruits should be included in the added sugars section. This now means added sugars and total sugars are one and the same, at 24g. So now what is the point of this distinction? More importantly, how would you know how much sugar did they add outside of fruits? I have no doubt corporations would quickly jump on this and start adding in sugar like crazy in order to make people addicted.
I didn’t call you a bootlicker I said it seems like you are bootlicking. But it wouldn’t be the Internet unless somebody was misquoting somebody else to for their argument.
I really didn’t need it explained to me. I wasn’t saying sugar from all juices should be counted as added sugar either. I was pointing out that they use apple juice to get away with not adding sugar. Honestly if we both agree that the label is misleading I’m not even sure why you are insisting on arguing.
That wasn't in your original comment though. It's a valid point that adding apple juice for the sugar is a dirty way to get around the "no added sugars" restriction. Only in your followup comment did you mention this, but it wasn't immediately obvious to me either that that was the point you were trying to make.
I don't think the other commenter was trying to be patronizing to you, it just genuinely seemed like there was some confusion going on.
If that person’s comment isn’t patronizing then I’m totally lost. They even bolded added like I’m a fucking moron. I admit it’s my bad for thinking that people would understand that this clearly has added sugar but I don’t see any reason to reply the way they did.
Probably because you're being argumentative toward them.
I’m being argumentative because they are being a patronizing ass.
You're acting like an asshole.
(See how I didn't call you an asshole there?)