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He was asked what portion of gun crimes were by trans people, and he retorted with "are we counting gang violence?"
So he was losing an argument about trans people and was trying to shift to blaming black people.
Charlie died the way he lived. Spewing bullshit.
Brainfart you mean?
I'll see myself out
and grifting, and railing against the people who were funding him. his antisemitism was becoming problematic for his backer of TPUSA. most notabally hosting tucker carlson on his shows,interviews.
Equating gang violence with black people is racist as shit.
Admittedly that dog whistle was an assumption I made. He didn't finish his thought.
The point he was making is that the vast majority of violence in America takes place in gang warfare, and if you're not in a gang, it is far less of a personal concern than it might otherwise appear. I know this because it's a common one that these kind of people make all the time.
It's a bad point because it basically implies that gang violence doesn't matter.
E: downvotes for explanation, I guess?
It's also false
I mean it's pretty true if you don't count suicides and if you know that the police are just a legalized gang.
I'd bet good money that gun violence by police is a pretty big chunk of the total.
Sometimes Lemmings don’t read the whole comment and assume your answering a question is the same as if you were personally proselytizing.
Indeed. It's a common dogwhistle the conservative talking heads have entrenched in modern discourse. Obviously, white gangs exist, but the act of mentioning gang violence while talking to a predominantly young, white crowd will water the seed in their mind that the other is the problem.
Take a look at any Fox News segment that covers gang violence. Guarantee any mugshots or arrest videos shown during such segments do not show ANY white detainees. It's deliberate. If they ever show a white person arrested, they will absolutely frame the segment differently, and won't utter that phrase.
Since the "war on drugs" designed to target minorities is less effective now, they branched out to calling it the war on gang violence.
All those trans gang members out there committing gun crimes! Why ... there's probably nearly half a dozen of them in the country!
Naw are you serious? Kirk was asked how many mass shootings occurred in the last 10 years and he responded briefly with counting or not counting gang violence bs.
Regardless, what in the world made you feel the need to gaslight us about it being a trans specific question that preceded the shooting. Also total bullshit on your part.
In the run up to that question they were discussing trans mass shooters, then the questionnaire pivoted to mass shootings in general (to show that trans shooters are a tiny tiny minority) which Kirk then tried deflecting by asking about gang or non-gang related shootings.
Theoretically I'm sure some trans people are in gangs, especially given how v coding probably heavily pressures trans prisoners into prison gangs, but as someone who's known a ton of trans people I feel we're disproportionately likely not to be perpetrating gang violence all else being equal
We extend to Kirk in death the grace he granted others in life.
I'm terribly sorry for getting the exact wording of his deflection wrong, and only nailing the message of his frequently employed bad faith argument.
I bet he'll get over it.
Because it was fucking hilarious.
He was spewing trite for nearly 10. Also people keep trying to martyr him and name shit after him, the best way to pull the power from a myth is to make fun of it.
Still too soon?
I hope it upsets you that I got joy out of watching him die.
Because the world celebrated when that piece of shit died, and you're still here simping for him.
You're upset that people are happy someone who advocated to the death of trans people, who advocated for school shootings, and wanted more guns in America died to being shot in the neck. Sorry your Internet friend bled out in real time for everyone to see, but the world got a little bit better with his blood spilling out on that Utah concrete.
The clash of two great masterdebaters.
I'm not American, friend.
Charlie’s death taught me one thing. I too agree it's worth to have a cost of some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment, because some aren’t unfortunate.