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This isn’t directed at you specifically, but just the broad sentiment that people are coming now OK with AI even though people kinda I guess forgot that like AI stole and ripped all of our information books. Music works of art all of it’s stolen ya know. But I’ll digress it doesn’t matter anymore.
I think it matters. I do think the technology is interesting and useful, but if you create something using AI models based on license violations then what stops someone from taking it? What standing would you have in court to say that it's yours? Why is the AI model "fair use" but a thing made with it is proprietary? These are things yet to be fully determined, but given that training and running AI is not cheap these companies are building on sand IMO.
I personally don't think the concept of stolen IP is ethically coherent. Ownership of ideas is a ridiculous concept. So I don't find this to be a very compelling argument for why AI is bad per se.
However, I do think it strengthens the argument that it should not be the intellectual property of tech oligarchs who did not create the vast breadth of knowledge that the algorithm is sorting through and accessing.
Exactly. There is no ethical consumption.
The Internet that you're posting on was built on top of a military network intended to provide redundant communication in the event of a global thermonuclear war. The satellites that provide you with GPS were created in order to more accurately drop bombs and guide armies. The rockets that put them in space exist because of research into methods of delivering nuclear weapons.
Your smartphone likely contains components built by slave labor, you almost certainly consume food products resulting from child labor. Your clothing as well.
The world is built on all manner of immoral things. 'Stealing' information (which presupposes the idea that a person can own knowledge, which I disagree with) is incredibly mild.
On top of that, the advances in AI are happening independent of LLMs. The advances in machine learning that made LLMs possible apply to all kinds of different areas that have nothing to do with language, music, or art.
LLMs just happen to be the easiest kind of AI to train because humanity has spent millennia storing language in books and the Internet provides a massive amount of data as well.
Responding to this part alone: that's not actually true.
The intent of arpanet, the direct predecessor to the Internet, was to make it easier for universities to use high powered computer resources located at national laboratories, as well as making it easier to distribute software updates. The person who initially pushed for it's creation wanted "an electronic commons open to all, 'the main and essential medium of informational interaction for governments, institutions, corporations, and individuals '". They secured funding for the initial computer science labratories, os research that underpin everything, and the foundation for the "INTERgalactic NETwork".
Arpa was, at the time, the advanced research project agency. They were under the DoD, but they filled a role closer to the NSF today.
In designing the system they referenced work done by people who were studying robust communication networks. At the time that meant the phone system and nuclear weapons. The research, however, was applicable to any unstable network, and so had particular interest to them because computers had terrible reliability and they wanted to not have to call people if they discovered they had turned off a computer halfway between New York and LA.
The closest thing it has to a cold war military objective is to help us win the research race and spite the Soviets. It can withstand a nuclear attack, but that's just because that's the easiest way to make it survive a farmer with a backhoe accidentally hitting a wire.
DARPA was defense projects funded by the military for the military. NSF predates DARPA by 8 years. DARPA did not fill a role closer to the NSF today.
It was after ARPANET was created for the military that it was expanded into general university use by NSF into NSFNet in 1986.
(I worked for Bob Kahn and Vint Cerf in the early 90's.)
DARPA was originally ARPA. They were under the department of defense but their project scope wasn't limited to defense projects. The reorganization that rebranded the agency as DARPA and made it defense focused ostensibly saw the non-defense oriented moonshot project responsibility transfer to the NSF, although the funding shift wasn't proportional.
The order of creation isn't exactly relevant to how responsibilities have shifted.
It's kinda like how, for the longest time, presidential security was handled by the Treasury department. It wasn't because presidential security was considered a financial matter, but because that's where it fit.
https://www.darpa.mil/news/features/arpanet
From your link to the arpanet wiki:
There's a big difference between ARPA funded labs and general university usage.
I'm not sure why it would matter that you worked for them in the early 90s. That doesn't exactly give you a privileged insight into the creation of ARPANET.
Research facilities doing DOD research.
The president of the company got Vint and Bob on board because he was their military liason at Darpa.
The project I worked on was partially funded by Darpa. We reported weekly updates to a Lt Colonel.
The Internet was originally by the military and for the military and only later handed off to universities.
Yes, I will just take your word for it over the word of the original people involved.
You keep talking about DARPA, when they're not the same organization that backed ARPANET. Arpanet came before laws were passed saying DARPA could only fund projects directly related to defense.
ARPA was military.
"From 1958 to 1965, ARPA's emphasis centered on major national issues, including space, ballistic missile defense, and nuclear test detection.[21] During 1960, all of its civilian space programs were transferred to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) and the military space programs to the individual services.[22]
This allowed ARPA to concentrate its efforts on Project Defender (ballistic missile defense), Project Vela (nuclear test detection), and Project Agile (counterinsurgency R&D programs), and to begin work on computer processing, behavioral sciences, and materials sciences. The DEFENDER and AGILE programs formed the foundation of DARPA sensor, surveillance, and directed energy R&D, particularly in the study of radar, infrared sensing, and x-ray/gamma ray detection."
ARPA was renamed to DARPA in 1972.
"DARPA supported the evolution of the ARPANET (the first wide-area packet switching network), "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA
There was no Internet in 1972. It was ARPANET which was run by DARPA. The D was added to reaffirm that ARPA was the department of defense, not civilian research.