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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz -3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

First we need to stop chasing cishetero white men out of progressive politics. There are some districts where they're the only ones who stand a chance, unfortunately. We don't have to like it for it to be true.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Full stop: no one is chasing out cishetero men. We need them to make more gaybies.

What’s happening is conservatives are convincing voters they are the only ones that accept them. That needs to stop. Fuck, let’s just add a grey strip to the pride flag.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 0 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Conservatives wouldn't be able to convince them of that if there wasn't a part of it that rings true with their personal experience.

And I can tell you that as a cishet white guy I've found it extremely difficult to participate in progressive spaces. It often feels like I'm not welcome at all, or that I'm only welcome as long as I keep my mouth shut. I've felt like I was being used as a punching bag by people who didn't have anywhere else to direct their misplaced rage, and no one has ever cared that I experience problems too. If I even so much as mention a problem that I face or the fact that I face problems, I get absolutely trashed for it.

Pretending no one is chasing cishetero white men out of progressive spaces is not going to solve the issue. We're not welcome on women's spaces. We're not welcome in BIPOC spaces. We're not welcome in queer spaces. What's left? Cause I guarantee you if someone tried starting a progressive space specifically for cishetero white men, then everyone would be furious.

And even if there were spaces that encompassed all identities under a common progressive umbrella, cishetero white men would still be the red-headed step child of those spaces.

[–] VampirePenguin@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

As a cishet white guy myself, I have to agree... to a point. Part of being an ally at this point in time really is a matter of just shutting the fuck up and listening. Allowing our presence alone to be our contribution and support. Allowing others to speak and lead. Not trying to correct people or broadcast our opinions. If folks want to hear us they'll ask. If they seem upset at you as a proxy for our demographic, don't get defensive. It's reasonable for marginalized groups to hate and fear us. Take it on the chin. Change and healing takes time, you can't expect to walk into these spaces and get VIP treatment. You'll have to earn that.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 hours ago

Yeah okay I'll shut up and listen, but I won't stand there and be treated like a punching bag, and if they expect to be able to talk shit to me and I'm not even allowed to stand up for myself, then those people aren't my friends, they're bullies. And I don't like bullies.

I have a history of trauma and abuse, I've been bullied and treated like shit. But nobody cares about my problems, in any context. I'm not gonna let people abuse me and treat me like shit out of some perceived sense of righteous indignation that they're projecting onto me because I'm an easier target than the people who actually abused them and treated them like shit. Fuck that.

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

They only feel that way because of propaganda designed to inflame their latent bigotry and cowardice.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 12 hours ago

Sure, just dismiss the personal experience that I'm relating to you just because you don't believe it. I'm sure that's just just prejudice talking. Oh wait.

Propaganda is a part of it, yes, but if it didn't have a kernel of truth that people felt then it could never take root. It takes advantage of a critical exploit, which is the disillusionment and rejection that many of these people already face.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 0 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

they seem quite uncommon, most of them are conservative are pretty center right like newsome, and biden, part of it likely has to due with mysogyny and status quo of men over women in politics. and added some gays that some straight men are very afraid of being hitted on.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 12 hours ago

Gee I wonder why they're not more common. I guess you can continue making the same generalized assumptions that you already held, even though I literally just explained why many of them who are progressive don't feel welcome in progressive spaces.