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Is this legit? Flying a pride flag would get you killed in most Muslim countries.
Yup.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_in_Kurdistan#LGBTQ_people_in_the_Kurdish_militas_fighting_against_the_Islamic_State
Slight correction
Though I am nevertheless impressed.
FYI the SDF is not Islamic, it's a left-wing coalition led by Kurdish people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Democratic_Forces
That is cool. Generally being in an Islamic region is threatening but these are militias, not exactly lynchable.
A 'left-wing' coalition that worked with the US to undermine the Syrian government, and then got wrecked by the ISIL splinter group that came to power. But I don't think they had much of a choice in the matter.
Yeah, Assad was such a great guy and should totally still be in power
No no he had weapons of mass destruction (source: US) and Syria needs ~~democracy~~ stability. Don't look too deep into the history of the new puppet, I mean, president.
Yeah, Assad definitely wasn't a puppet. The massive russian base and the fact he fled straight to russia was just a coincidence. His legacy of torture and secret prisons was totally just western propaganda too, they were actually wellness spas.
Oh no, he was a Russian puppet and he was definitely jailing his opponents. He's no saint. But minorities weren't getting massacred and women had some rights. Now there's an ~~US~~ IS guy in charge and it's going about as well as you'd expect.
Do you have any sources on this? I knew he was formerly(?) Islamic state, but it seemed like the country was becoming more stable (fascist israeli invasion aside).
Massacre of Alawites (coastal Muslim community that isn't Muslim enough for ISIL) - https://www.reuters.com/investigations/syrian-forces-massacred-1500-alawites-chain-command-led-damascus-2025-06-30/
Kurds were driven out of two provinces and had to surrender the remaining two in return for limited autonomy - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/18/syria-announces-ceasefire-agreement-with-kurd-led-sdf-after-heavy-fighting
They didn't like it, and warned Kurds in Iran not to fall for the same trap.
I think it is, but more stake is extremely relative when it comes to syria
This is mostly a myth based on Saudi Arabia and Wahhabist extremists. Most Muslim countries have explicit protections for specific letters in LGBTQ, and then its down to local (usually hyperlocal) culture for the rest. Generally speaking (because 'Muslim Countries' covers 1/3rd of countries on the planet) as long as you conform to some traditional gender role, even if it wasn't what was assigned at birth, you're going to be okay. Yes that means living more as a woman than a man if you happen to be a gay man that likes to receive, which is fucked up, but it's not death.
It's really when you try to break the binary you tend to get in trouble, again as a generality. Some embrace a third gender simply because they're more traditionalist than Muslim, and some like saudi arabia do ban pretty much all non-heteronormative expression.
Okay but thanks to Saudi oil billions Wahhabism has influenced many parts of the Islamic world. Sure most Muslim countries aren’t full blown Wahhabis but it has influenced how people practice Islam thanks to mosques and schools build with Saudi money. Like Indonesia used to be quite tolerant against trans women and people doing drag. Like couple of decades ago it was quite normal to see people in drag on tv and even many of the tvshow hosts were obviously gay. Though not out of the closet but still. But nowadays those people are completely missing from the public. Attacks on trans women are a lot more common today than in the past. And that is all thanks to Saudi money which influenced how people view the lgbtq.
This is not a myth. There may be regions where it's not the case ofc but communicating that one is gay in Muslim countries doesn't typically end well.
Some countries have protections for transgender people, but none have protections for gay or lesbian populations (please mention any that do if you disagree).
"Living as a woman" if you like men is fucked up and is the same as death ime; gender dysphoria and being denied the experience of embodying the gender you view yourself as is something that's linked w completed suicide; it's the same reasoning why GAC is life-saving intervention and why trans people being denied GAC spikes suicidality and attempted/completed attempts amongst transgender populations. Just because some of them are more trans affirming, doesn't make these countries any less of a death pit for the rest of us who aren't trans.
Lgbt community can face descrimination or violence but not killing . The weird part is many countries has anti lgbt laws inherited from thr colonial era. Choose your word carefully.
Hate crime and lynching that leads to murders of the LGBT community is not at all something rare in the muslim world.
It's true that many laws came from colonial era under christian missionaries, but muslims oppose the removal of those laws with religious outrage.
This is also true of many non-muslim countries. If you have credible figures that demonstrate a higher murder rate of lgbtqi+ folks in muslim countries vs non-muslim countries then please provide at least some evidence, or withdraw your claim, because right now it seems to be based on nothing but anti-muslim vibes.
As do many modern day north american anglicans, basptists, church of christ, pentacostals, presbyterians, nazarenes, and evangelicals. Catholic / christian missionaries are also directly responsible for converting entire populations to be homophobic bigots across Africa and other former colonies.
And how many millions of Africans died over the past ~45 years due to the church opposing the promotion of condom use during the HIV/AIDS crisis?
I despise homophobia in all its forms, but it simply isn't true that the muslim religion is somehow worse than all the others.
And so, all we're left with, is that this "group's" (Islam's) crimes are talked about as if it should be dealt with, while all the broadly "Christian" crimes are...what?
Regrettable, but understandable given the sheer number of Christians and Christian clergy - something from the past - something that only kinda happened, well it really happens-ed but look at all the good we do - something we're taking seriously these days and working on, nothing like those people
Right. Islam, oh no!
AKA:
Yikes! What if folks had as many churches, but brown people inside 😧
You want facts? Name a single Muslim country that has legalized homosexuality. Name a single Muslim country that has legalized gay marriage.
I can name many non-muslim countries have.
If you want a thorough and detailed breakdown of how poorly Muslim countries perform in this regard, fire up Equaldex and search for any Muslim country there.
It is evident that in places such as West Europe and North America (not referring to America under Trump, it's ruined now), generally, queer people have felt safe enough to come out, live their lives and remain in relationships w the people they love. This is not true of Muslim countries. You cannot be a openly gay man in Muslim countries, unless you're of the elite class. This is self-evident.
It's not "vibes", I'm speaking from lived experience having lived in these countries as a gay person. Have you?
And yet I can name many christian states that have far better laws and protections for queer people than Muslim countries have ever had.
I never denied Christianity is also a plague, but in many regions, today, Christian states has progressed significantly whereas Muslim states have absolutely not in this regard. It's disingenuous to present this as a "both sides" issue when one is clearly worse.
Having said that, to be clear, I denounce both Islam and Christianity.
The picture is not as black and white as you claim. And the reason many western countries eventually accepted LGBT folks wasn't because Christianity is more accommodating of those views, it was because of the separation of church and state, and increasing secularization of those countries.
It really is, actually.
There are no Muslim countries where homosexuality is legal, or where gay marriage is established.
The listing here is absurd and demonstrably false.
Egypt for example does not consider homosexuality legal.
You can visit the page and scroll down for individual logs, laws, dates, and events etc yourself if you want to see a detailed deconstruction of precisely how the legal system there works against queer people if you're not convinced.
Equaldex is a better resource than Wikipedia for this and gives you a more detailed breakdown of the respective countries.
For Jordan, also:
Lebanon has ambiguous laws, it's not "legal". It is also illegal in Iraq.
For Bahrain:
My source is Equaldex for the aforementioned claims.
"Middle East" ≠ Muslim countries.
Turkey is a secular state, it does not have Islam as state law. Israel is a Jewish country. Cyprus is a Christian country.
The fact that they accomplished separation of church and state on such a wide scale is impressive in its own right. Good luck trying to achieve that in Muslim countries (note: Muslim, not "middle eastern").
Furthermore, I would also add that you do not account for (1) the lack of legal protections against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and (2) extrajudiciary killings, which are enabled by problem (1), as well as (3) the degree of stigma and discrimination in these countries cause suicide amongst queer populations.
There are Christian countries that have legal protections against discrimination on sexual orientation, and thus limit/protect against extrajudiciary killings. You cannot say the same about Muslim countries. I would like examples if arguing otherwise.
Getting killed for holding an lgbtq flag is definitely rare in most arab and muslims countries. You are tryig to move the goal post by now adding unintential killing and hateful non letal actions.
You are simply spreading Islamphobia with your generalization.
Holding a LGBT flag implies one is gay. Once one is known to be gay, they're in real risk of being lynched to death or getting thrown in jail.
The issue isn't just holding a flag, it's any signal that communicates one is gay clearly.
You are framing it as "unintentional killing" but this is blatantly false and dishonest. People come out to kill gay men in places like Pakistan and other Muslim countries. Homosexuality is punishable by death in the UAE and Saudi Arabia, and this is similarly seen in many other places where Islam is law.
Islam is a deeply homophobic religion and that is fact.
You are defending Islam against it's homophobia and are grossly downplaying how it kills gay men, directly and indirectly.
Nobody denies that some muslims are homophobic, or that many muslim-majority states have homophobic laws and practices. They do.
The problem with your argument, though, is that many christian- and buddhist-majority countries also have similar homophobic laws and practices.
In fact, there are more christian-majority countries with homophobic laws than any other religion. Roughly illustrated above, yellow is christian-majority, orange is muslim-majority and green is buddhist majority.
By implying the problem is with islam in particular, rather than religion in general, you are behaving like an islamaphobe.
Christianity, yes, buddhism, nowhere near as much. There's literally just 2-3 dots of Buddhism even in your own graphic, it's misleading to even mention it.
Islam and Christianity are the primary religions responsible for homophobia.
Furthermore, it is not merely "many", all Muslim countries have homophobic laws and practices. If you say this is not the case, I would like you to show me a single country that has Islam as its state religion and has legalized homosexuality. There are none. Also, not a single one of these countries, have legalized gay marriage.
There are many countries where the primary religion is Christianity but homosexuality is legal and even gay marriage is legal.
Let's not pretend it's the same.
Though I will say I have no fondness for Christianity, either. I do have a problem with abrahamic religion in general (buddhism is too minor in comparison for me to be concerned about).
I have a bigger problem with Islam because
If I am to be labelled an islamophobe for that, then sure, I would just consider the other person a homophobe.
But why the need to paint Christian states as somehow better? Isn't it secularism that changed social attitudes? Christian churches were not supportive of equal rights for LGBT folks either (for the vast majority of churches, anyway). It's still not safe to walk down the street holding hands with your gay partner in many supposedly civilised western countries.
Because I have a much higher shot at being safe and living just fine there as a gay man vs a Muslim country? That is something I see as better.
It's generally safe to do so in North America (pre-Trump), West Europe, and Scandinavia. Certainly much safer than in Muslim countries.
It's true that secularism is what improved conditions for queer people and not Christianity but the thing is that Christian-dominated countries have achieved secularism on a wide scale. This is not seen in the muslim world. There's too much of a stronghold of religion on the people and the state there that won't wash away any time soon. There's too much outrage and religious zealotry that prevents progress from secularizing the state. This has happened in turkey to the most extent but that's about it.
You was talking about murdering any gay person . I told you most muslim countries have descriminitory laws like jail or refusing to hire etc. Sausi arabia , afghanistan or Iran are not most of the arab and islamic countries. Yet you still insist about your lie. Tou are generalizing muslims which is islamophobic, shame on you.
This is a map with the type of law around lgbt discrimination. Most mention imprisonment which is bad but not murder.
https://www.humandignitytrust.org/lgbt-the-law/map-of-criminalisation/
From the torah would you say the same about jews or you know you can get away with islamophobia but not antisemetism
Oh yeah jail, not murder— such a good thing.
You are clearly not a queer person and are just focused on defending Islam, because any queer person would know that not being able to live your life without fear winds up equating to death anyway. What do you think happens when gay men cant exist in public the way straight people can, and can't have relations with the people they love without fearing persecution from the state and being jailed?
Discrimination leads to death and gay men have the highest rates of suicide due to said discrimination.
Go over on equaldex and search any Muslim country there to see how abysmal it performs. Though I doubt you care about queer people's lives, you're likely just on a mission to show Islam in a good light.
Furthermore, extrajudiciary killings are a thing that occur in many Muslim countries even if it is not a state law. By not protecting queer people against hate crime and discrimination these states indirectly allow for mob justice and for people to get away with lynching gay men, even if it is not done by the state itself, directly.
The lack of protections against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in Muslim countries is easily verifiable. And it is this lack of protection that leads to us being killed.
I am fully aware. This is a problem of all abrahamic religions. Islam, Christianity, Judaism— none of them are queer affirming. I don't shy away from criticizing any religion.
This is not an Islam-exclusive issue, though it is most persistent in Muslim countries today as there are many christian nations that have progressed and removed these backwards laws, whereas there are no Muslim countries that have legalized homosexuality or gay marriage.
Shame on you for your blatant homophobia and downplaying how muslims treat gay men.
I never said jail is good, idiot. Stop selectively reading what I said. You are an dirty islamophobe. Your original claim was about killing not jail and discrimination
If you were able to read, homophobe, you would know why and how jail and discrimination = killing you illiterate nincompoop.
I never justified antthing you islamophobic piece of trash . Your claimed that most arab countries will kill you for being from the lgbt community, I gave you the source saying it is not thr case and told you to talk about descrimination and jail time not murder. Your xenophobic claim is to advocate people to not visit any of those countries because they are murderous countries
You sure did you homophobic piece of trash. Learn to read, I gave you sources too but I guess you couldn't read them. I didn't make any such claim; but yes, if you're gay or queer, the Muslim world is not a safe space for you and will get you killed in one way or another. I gave you the reasoning on how jailing + discrimination leads to death even in the off-chance they aren't killed by the state (which isn't even the primary way it happens, it's extrajudiciary killings and the lack of state protections that causes it mostly). You're a homophobe that doesn't care about queer people, only defending Islam because you're a religious zealot.
Tell me where I said it was ok to jail or beat up the lgbt community? You lying about facts make you an islamophobic piece of trash. Just admit thst most arab countries have descriminatory laws and can jail people but do not lie about thr number of arab countries who kill lgbt people.
You said they didn't "kill" them. This is how I know you aren't reading.
Because the jailing and the discrimination leads to death, and the extrajudiciary killings under a lack of legal protections, is quite literally killing.
I have said this multiple times now, but you don't seem to get it.
Are you sure? Where did you get this from?
LGBTQ laws in Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan pre CIA-installation of the taliban, anywhere in the 'muslim' world that Christian extremists didn't settle, sorry, that 'missionaries' didn't do 'outreach' in. Even Syria had a period of acceptance in the 1980s before, you know, the thing happened.
Islam teaches to love all your brothers and sisters, even when they 'sin,' as long as that sin is self-indulgent instead of harmful to others it's generally fine. Any country accurately implementing Shariah generally has leniency if not acceptance towards LGBTQ people... as long as they live in traditional gender roles. In Iran, for instance, it is illegal to be gay, as in its illegal to live as a man and sleep with men. But if you're 'trans' and live as a woman, you're golden. You will literally have state protection. You just need to play the game as presented and you're fine.
Now again this isn't ideal and people should be accepted outside the narrow gender roles ingrained in Shariah, but compared to any area with a Christian majority where Christians have taken over the government, it's pretty advanced.
The Jewish faith is inherently pro-LGBTQ, Christians would be if they followed the bible even slightly, and Muslims brought back the pro-LGBTQ that Christians abandoned during the puritan era.
Shariah law calls for the stoning to death of gay men.
"But you would need to do it in public to reach the 4 witnesses requirement" is NOT good enough, because these reasons fuel stigma that leads to lynching and hate crime. If the whole "Lut" thing and the aforementioned precedent in the Hadith didn't exist, there wouldn't be this state-sanctioned execution/imprisonment of gay and lesbian people ("but you can just be trans" is frankly bullshit and is downplaying the severity of the issue). Without the religious baggage of Islam there wouldn't be social stigma on anywhere near the scale and that would drastically improve life expectancy for queer people.
You say "as long as that sin is self-indulgent" but this isn't how homosexuality is treated historically. It's viewed as a plague that would spread through the masses if allowed and they assert the need to step down on it (as is evident given by the fact that there are exactly 0 countries that legalized homosexuality and have hate crime protections).
It's not just "not ideal", it's downright barbaric and disgusting.
West Europe, Scandinavia and Canada may like a word with you. Hell, even the US was "okay" w.r.t. queer rights before trump.
Judaism and Christianity both share the passage of Gemorrah and Seldom, none of the Abrahamic faiths are inherently queer affirming, only fringe minority subsections of those communities are.
Yeah I'm gonna need a source there.
It's a common confusion caused by combining homosexuality and gender transition. Homosexuality is illegal in most Muslim countries. On the other hand, gender transitioning is not only accepted, but often considered a routine medical procedure. So in countries like Iran, the surgery is even subsidised. There are also legal protections, at least in Iran and Pakistan.