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[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You want facts? Name a single Muslim country that has legalized homosexuality. Name a single Muslim country that has legalized gay marriage.

I can name many non-muslim countries have.

If you want a thorough and detailed breakdown of how poorly Muslim countries perform in this regard, fire up Equaldex and search for any Muslim country there.

It is evident that in places such as West Europe and North America (not referring to America under Trump, it's ruined now), generally, queer people have felt safe enough to come out, live their lives and remain in relationships w the people they love. This is not true of Muslim countries. You cannot be a openly gay man in Muslim countries, unless you're of the elite class. This is self-evident.

It's not "vibes", I'm speaking from lived experience having lived in these countries as a gay person. Have you?

As do many modern day north american anglicans, basptists, church of christ, pentacostals, presbyterians, nazarenes, and evangelicals. Catholic / christian missionaries are also directly responsible for converting entire populations to be homophobic bigots across Africa and other former colonies.

And yet I can name many christian states that have far better laws and protections for queer people than Muslim countries have ever had.

And how many millions of Africans died over the past ~45 years due to the church opposing the promotion of condom use during the HIV/AIDS crisis?

I never denied Christianity is also a plague, but in many regions, today, Christian states has progressed significantly whereas Muslim states have absolutely not in this regard. It's disingenuous to present this as a "both sides" issue when one is clearly worse.

Having said that, to be clear, I denounce both Islam and Christianity.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The picture is not as black and white as you claim. And the reason many western countries eventually accepted LGBT folks wasn't because Christianity is more accommodating of those views, it was because of the separation of church and state, and increasing secularization of those countries.

[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world 1 points 37 minutes ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago)

It really is, actually.

There are no Muslim countries where homosexuality is legal, or where gay marriage is established.

The listing here is absurd and demonstrably false.

Egypt for example does not consider homosexuality legal.

You can visit the page and scroll down for individual logs, laws, dates, and events etc yourself if you want to see a detailed deconstruction of precisely how the legal system there works against queer people if you're not convinced.

Equaldex is a better resource than Wikipedia for this and gives you a more detailed breakdown of the respective countries.

For Jordan, also:

Homosexual activity has been legal in Jordan since 1951, however, the Penal Code includes vague provisions around "morality" and "indecent acts" that could be used to target LGBTQ+ people. In 2014, for example, Jordan authorities arrested 10 gay men and women who were holding a reception at a party hall. A security official said it was to "prevent a disturbance of the peace" but did not elaborate.

Lebanon has ambiguous laws, it's not "legal". It is also illegal in Iraq.

For Bahrain:

there has been documented cases of arrests being made towards homosexual people on virtue of them being homosexuals

My source is Equaldex for the aforementioned claims.

"Middle East" ≠ Muslim countries.

Turkey is a secular state, it does not have Islam as state law. Israel is a Jewish country. Cyprus is a Christian country.

The fact that they accomplished separation of church and state on such a wide scale is impressive in its own right. Good luck trying to achieve that in Muslim countries (note: Muslim, not "middle eastern").

Furthermore, I would also add that you do not account for (1) the lack of legal protections against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and (2) extrajudiciary killings, which are enabled by problem (1), as well as (3) the degree of stigma and discrimination in these countries cause suicide amongst queer populations.

There are Christian countries that have legal protections against discrimination on sexual orientation, and thus limit/protect against extrajudiciary killings. You cannot say the same about Muslim countries. I would like examples if arguing otherwise.