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I made a post on hierarchy a month ago but I have some more specific questions now.

I've been hit with the claim that mass production industries that are needed today would not be possible without a hierarchy. That due to regional limitations and the logistics of smartphone manufacturing, technology cannot be produced on the needed scale without a hierarchy of managers.

This is quoted in PCB fabrication, as well as other areas such as medicine and other mass produced goods.

It is also said that managers are needed for efficiency, though I don't understand that.

Because the anarchist movement, abolishing hierarchy, "runs counter" to the "global direction of humanity and progress", it is acclaimed to being "doomed to failure" and "idealist".

What would be the anarchist response to this? Would appreciate detailed responses and/or resources.

I want to improve my anarchist understanding

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[–] alzymologist@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

PCB fabrication exists because hierarchical systems can't assemble electronics without PCBs.

Making a PCB in a small chaotic team (or even alone, damn, who in hw didn't etch their own PCBs as a kid?) is totally possible and quite easy; now making them to tight specs to make them compatible with a vertical manufacturing giant is incredibly hard (yet doable).

I was running an anarchic hardware design and manufacturing shop until last year (now I just have a bunch of unused equipment at home; can't come up with ideas on what to do). The problem wasn't in production, the problem was in sales - monopolist shops took over whole distribution networks and won't let an outsider in without getting their cut.

What would you need electronics devices for, anyway? Other than run Android that's designed to be ridiculously complex and uniform, alienating system with a sprawl of flaws and horrible centralization; catering hardware for smartphone industry is exactly hard because of hierarchical system in existence. Sure, there is an ecosystem of apps... that get rewritten on a monthly basis, cloned and vibecoded in minutes. And operating system vulnerabilities get scaled worldwide in an instant as everyone has exact same system.

I'd say, we'd have way more beauty in the world and way more security if our hardware was not unified. And for that we'd need to get rid of hierarchical optimizations. Which is not going to happen... on a global scale, that is, I'm soldering my nonsence equipment in a non-standard way now and do not care.

Here is a customary link to my friend working without a PCB at all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo8qckXgNNw I just love rewatching this sick video.

[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But even if you're running a local system of apps and hardware, you still need to be able to manufacture the parts needed for said electronic devices.

I didn't think PCB was something people could make themselves, that is cool.

[–] alzymologist@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Manufacture or scavenge or trade. There were initiatives to build local chips, too, those just fail because existing fabs are just too good; also because when you really need a job done, you often do not even need any electronics. One common place where we all rely on it inevitably is access to this internet - which it pretty much a manifestation of capitalist unifying action; totally expected to require us to comply somehow, also totally avoidable, if we choose to (although autonomous zones are better off not ignoring stuff just randomly).

[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you in favour of abolishing the internet?

[–] alzymologist@sopuli.xyz 1 points 23 hours ago

No I'm not. It's just important to be able to do a personal action if you choose to IMO.

[–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Also check out mechanical computing while you are at it.