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This argument would hold water if your wing of the party hadn't tied the one guy to the tracks in the first place and didn't have it in their power at the time to untie him. In any event, centrists blame anyone with even the slightest criticism of their beloved genocide regardless of how they actually voted.
Everyone I disagree with loves genocide.
The context here is genocide and centrists' refusal to abandon it.
Which centrists? You direct that at everyone who is, and who you think is, a "centrist", without defining a set of positions you believe they have. Why are they all a genocide supporting monolith? Or are you taking people and assuming many things about them like another group tends to towards specific races?
Define, dont attack. Debate over argument. Conversation over debate. No reason to wreck your position with exaggerated responses and statements. The world isnt a strawman, my dude.
The leadership of the centrist wing of the party supports genocide. The centrist wing of the party continues to follow them, knowing full well what they're doing in broad daylight. Genocide isn't a dealbreaker for them.
It's like how all the awful fascist racist shit trump does isn't a dealbreaker for republicans. It says what you need to know about them.
Save it for the general election, not the primary where it isn't applicable.
The trolley problem is used to pretend harm reduction works, but if you extend the image, you'll find all the ones tied on the bottom rail will be moved to the top rail, just spaced out so that one side can pretend they're slightly better, even though they'll end up killing the same people anyway. If you think it's acceptable to let "the good guys" carry out a genocide, then you'll find anything acceptable. Keep sacrificing one group after the other as you justify your harm reduction scheme.
"First they came for[...]" I'll let you figure out the rest.
I wish I could upvote this twice.
I wish even more that the people who think like this could look at this and understand it. Too much critical thinking required. That or they're just garbage people who want it exactly their way and are willing to burn it all down if they don't get it.
The thing that really frustrates me is the entitlement of people thinking that both sides are the same, blah blah blah while meanwhile immigrants, LGBTQ people, Iranians, etc. etc. suffer because perfect is the enemy of better in their minds. The comic is unrealistic because typically the person watches the carnage smugly, claiming that it would have been just as bad if the Democrats were in power, as if 2024 were just as bad as now.
"Stop whining about a literal genocide!!!"
Also, the people who didn't vote were mostly liberals. Every progressive I know, including every member of large progressive organizations, voted Kamala.
But also, thanks for essentially saying that you'd gladly sacrifice hundreds of thousands of brown people overseas to not have to deal with fascism. This is why the world thinks Americans are scum.
Genocide. We get it. Keep saying it and maybe you'll make it mean more. We all totally believe Biden/Harris/Dems like genocide cuz you keep saying it.
Now we have a president and party that give way less fucks about genocide. Yay?
Biden and Kamala are on record, multiple times, supporting Israel. The entire Dem corporate wing, instead of listening to all the people protesting, lambasted everyone as terrorist supporters and refused to stop sending weapon packages even with IDF soldiers literally posting their war crimes on Tiktok.
All America does is export death and destruction. This has been the rule for 80 years. No matter who's in charge.
You deserve what you got. America was exposed for the merchant of death that they are, and you will never be trusted again. People will vote in progressives in the primaries, win, and YOU will be nothing but part of history.
There's a reason everyone hates the US. There's a reason everyone hates you. You'd rather have your option to go back to brunch and not think about all the brown people your party killed in collusion with the Republicans.
Do everyone a favor, and shove your politics up your ass.
Now were sacrificing millions of brown people to let the fascists win in 3 separate countries and the US is directly doing one of them.
We're not going to failure gambit our way to victory by letting the fascists win and showing the world how bad fascism is and everyone banding together and stopping fascism ones and for all.
I've got news for you: if you support genocide then you're already a fascist.
Yeah supporting genocide is fascistic. So is letting Trump anywhere near the levers of power to accelerate 1 genocide into 3 genocides.
Choosing the least bad option is not supporting genocide, it's practicing harm reduction. This makes sense to anyone not stupid or an accelerationist.
The least bad option, if you assume we only have two options, also supports genocide. Maybe the stupid one is the one who plays along with this stupid game. You're not going to break out of the game by playing within its rules, especially when the rules change any time a potential exploit is found. Slow torture with breaks is still torture.
There is no assumption, genius.
The most popular 3rd party candidate in 2024 got a whopping 0.5% of the total votes cast. During an election when many people were disenfranchised from both primary parties.
I'm going to bold this for you.
THERE IS NO VIABLE 3RD PARTY IN THE UNITED STATES AND WON'T BE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME UNDER THE BEST CIRCUMSTANCES.
It's not a game, champ. It's reality. And you don't seem to have a firm grasp on it. In reality, where two (and only two) parties have the potential to win, someone making an effort to be an adult understands that it is far better to go with the least destructive option. And, from your simple perspective, it's not like we were choosing between a genocide party and a non-genocide party. From your simple perspective, they're both genocide parties. On one hand you had one that was expressing their disapproval of Israel's actions and floating arms shipment cancellations and trying to help broker a peace deal. And on the other you had a felon rapist saying "full steam ahead, we'll make a resort out of Palestine when you're done".
Doesn't take a lot of brain cells to figure that one out.
Lol. You must be young. Want a revolution? That's what you're implying. Do it, kiddo. Be the leader. Be the change. Otherwise sit down and help the adults vote in the better option so we have better odds to reform our current system.
And if you believe that the odds of reforming this system are the same under Democrats and Republicans, then you're a lost cause and there's not much else I can say to you.
Then you go on to describe everything in terms of the election system we have in place specifically set up to trap you within these two seemingly (but not actually) different choices. If the system is specifically set up this way, then what makes you think the people who control the system will let us make any meaningful change? It's clear they have overarching goals and they manage to make progress towards these goals regardless of which party gets in.
I mean historically you're absolutely wrong but go off, keep going with the even more genocide option, that'll work out for you.
If these people knew anything about American history, particularly the voting history of both parties, they wouldn't have the dipshit view of the situation that they do.
You mean like how both parties support the genocide of Palestinians? You mean like how the Iran war enjoys bipartisan support even if they sometimes hold meaningless votes to show opposition that doesn't translate to meaningful action against it (and they only hold those votes when they know it won't do anything)? Maybe you get fooled by the political theater, but not everyone is as impressed by the rattle shaking.
Yeah I'm not sure if they're Russian or republican but I'll believe they're progressive once my shit smells nice. They uncritically consume and repeat propaganda and deliberately misrepresent or outright lie about parties or government, and every time you call them out they pivot. Lemmy is like all the absolute worst reddit communities rolled into one basement dwelling chud.
It wasn't the voting that made the change, "but go off".
For the first time you lot have consequences for your imperialism, and yet you still refuse to learn a lesson from it. You get zero fucking sympathy from me. Ineffective, weak leaders is what leads to fascism. Those are the consequences of your actions. You can cry all you want, but all of those deaths are on YOU for consistently voting for leaders that haven't changed their strategy since the 90's and sabotage anyone trying to run on their party for positive change.
Also, you wanna learn something? Republicans now get significantly more votes from low attention, low engagement voters. Saying "We're not Trump" doesn't do anything for them. They don't have loyalties. They don't even bother researching. That's why Trump was so popular with them, he had a direct message that reached them. Most Democrat voters are already highly engaged, and that isn't enough to win elections anymore. As long as you refuse to court low engagement voters by actually delivering a message, you'll keep failing.
What people think the person on the top rail is saying: oh please, kill me! I want nothing more than to die to save people in the country helping bomb my family!