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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I’m arguing against the premise

I'm discussing the actual material facts in these two countries.

I'm listening to someone point to LBJ's Great Society and calling it a Holocaust. You sound like one of those homeschool libertarians, screaming about how truancy laws are unconstitutional.

what people/ the West take issue with is the rounding up of dissidents, sending them to reeducation camps, and forcibly sterilizing some of them

Not when their friends in The Philippines or Israel are doing it. Not when they're doing it to refugees in US prisons or UK detention camps.

What Westerners object to isn't Chinese policing. It's Chinese sovereignty, Chinese technology, and Chinese trade they're freaked out about.

As far as the Chinese government goes, this part refers to taking Taiwan by force.

What blockade are they running against ~~Cuba~~ Taiwan? How many military bases are they squatting on in defiance of the national government? How many times have they attempted to assassinate a ~~Cuban~~ ~~Venezuelan~~ ~~Iranian~~ ~~Afghani~~ Taiwanese head of state?

How many homes have they bulldozed? How many citizens have they butchered? How many fishing boats have double-tapped?

[–] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Your entire response is just Whataboutism. You're still simping for the man, just the Chinese man instead of the American one.

Not when their friends in The Philippines or Israel are doing it.

In truth I don't know anything about the government in the Philippines right now; if they are running camps then there is a shameful lack of media coverage about it.

But vastly more people in the US are horrified by the plight of the Palestinians than that of the Uyghurs, primarily because they feel at least indirectly responsible for it. But the people calling out the mistreatment of the Uyghurs aren't silent about the Palestinians.

As far as the Chinese posture towards Taiwan, we have intelligence and data documenting their military buildup for at least a decade. They are building amphibious assault ships (https://youtu.be/DtrGMsGsZiU) and verbally making public statements about reunification.

I don't think we should expect China to do a bunch of random piddle-farting around with arbitrary bombing like US policy under Trump. Mainly because that is not at all what their consolidation of authority in Hong Kong looked like, but also because they're not fucking dumbasses like Trump.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Whataboutism

You're accusing China of invading Taiwan, a thing it categorically hasn't done.

[–] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I think planning and posturing for their attack on Taiwan can still be counted as military adventurism.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

But killing tens of thousands of people is Whataboutism?

Liberalism in a nutshell.