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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm a proponent of building an NYC-Chicago line and a San Diego to Seattle to start as proof of concept and from there expanding, probably with San Francisco-Chicago and Miami-Maine and then try to build legs that can hit a bunch of cities while connecting them to a major spine like Cleveland to Mobile and city connection lines like the Texas triangle.

It'd be a logistical challenge to figure out where all needs to be connected quickly. Like you'd probably want a southern east west line as well as the northern one. But this is exactly the sort of shit that simulation can help figure out. And worst case scenario, it's not like you're going to get that many complaints about a 14 hour (assuming several stops) overnight train ride from nyc to sf

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'd put the Northern line starting at Seattle, going across to Chicago/NY, but the Rockies are going to have a lot to say about that route.

I'd do the same East/West Coast line as you. A line from say, Minneapolis, down through Chicago, and down to Dallas and Houston, hitting St Louis along the way. There are lots of middle America cities that could hook up to a hub like St Louis. There could be lots of regional routes, all over the country.

It really wouldn't be that hard to do, and it would create MILLIONS of jobs, but it would cost a whole bunch, and we are too busy blowing all our money on war that NOBODY wants.

And even without that, we should be looking a universal health care system first.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

While personally as a pnwer I prefer NY-Cleveland-Chicago-Minneapolis-Seattle, and I do think that that's a route you likely eventually want if for no other reason than to hit the Dakotas and North Yellowstone, going south of Yellowstone means that you have major cities between the Midwest and the coast, namely Denver and Salt Lake City.

Ultimately I suspect the best option for the spines is something inspired by the interstate with 3 E-W lines, probably aiming for Charleston-San Diego on the south, DC to San Francisco in the middle and NYC to Seattle in the north. But it would require enough commitment to ensure that it actually gets built that way, otherwise it's better to make something worse in the long run that's never in an awkward middle stage where it's not good enough to defend.

That really gets to the core of what I think the problem is. Our country is unable to commit to improving anything when it gets hard. Some parts of it can, I used sound transit as an example in my first comment in part because it specifically is a very young transportation network, originally being approved only 30 years ago or so. But rail networks are long term expensive projects to build and while the government could throw war amounts of money at it, it's highly unlikely. Our best chance is one or two pilot lines that take a decade or so and then us pushing for more and more. That said, if we have an economic depression this could be a part of the way out of it akin to the ccc was in the new deal

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It would cost a fortune, but it would change travel in this country significantly, and it feels inevitable anyway. A country our size is perfect for a maglev operation. We have the money, if we could just stay out of war for a decade. Clinton managed to do it, for the most part.

Hey, at least we have a plan for the Trump Depression, right?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, it feels necessary and a weird mix of inevitable and impossible. It meets so many of our needs, it gives us a practical every day reason to invest in technology and manufacturing of something we can sell to the world and ourselves, it gives us something to focus our energies on and we can power it with solar these days. And politically It's a non starter. I don't know how long the country can remain in one piece. There's a massive anti infrastructure propaganda system. It would be brutally opposed by the air travel industry. If a democrat starts it a republican will end it before ground breaks. And people are pissed about the California high speed rail's delays and issues and lack trust in rail.

It requires massive changes in our country's politics, but any stable position focused on the common good will ultimately come to the conclusion to do it.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And people are pissed about the California high speed rail's delays and issues and lack trust in rail.

Inspired by this discussion, I mentioned high speed rail to a MAGA business guy I've known for a long time, and right away, he brings up California as the reason it will never work and we shouldn't waste money on it.

And I said "Yeah, I know, we need the money to fight wars for no reason."

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Yeah. I once had a really bad date with a Californian back when I lived in the Midwest where she used that as an example of why trains are a bad investment. Like, there are a lot of issues with California's high speed rail project, and so many of them are deeply tied to California. And that's a large part of why I think the west coast high speed rail should come after the new york-chicago despite being a west coaster now.

Large infrastructure projects can't be sold on the "they say we may be able to do it for as little as $x" they need to be sold on the "we'd like to do a feasibility study for $y" then sell it on the worst case scenario. And then you use your power of eminent domain where needed. But most importantly you have to actually commit to it.

But yeah, I don't want a California high speed rail type project, I want feasibility studies and accurate projections until we can get what china has done