Note: Judging by the comments, a lot of people are obviously not reading the post and are instead assuming we are calling for defederation of lemmy.world. That is not the case, and in fact the opposite is true. LW already temporarily defederated anarchist.nexus once, and the evidence suggests Mr Kaplan is now pushing for full defederation of all the FAF instances. We are trying to build a coalition of instances that will agree to defederate from lemmy.world IF Kaplan goes ahead with the defederation. Apologies if you weren't aware of the context.
🏴☠️ Hoist the Black Flag: Pledge to Boycott Lemmy World!
... if Lemmy World dares to defederate from any ship in the Fediverse Anarchist Flotilla - https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/, https://anarchist.nexus/, and https://quokk.au/.
Mateys, we can’t let a mega‑instance captain bully the rest of the fleet just because their ship’s bigger. If Lemmy World tries to throw the FAF overboard, we’re calling for a show of solidarity: a fediverse blockade of Lemmy World in response, until the landlubbers see reason (i.e., there is an acceptable change in their leadership and/or this policy).
This is about mutual aid, not mutiny - standing together so no single admin gets to rule the seas unchallenged. A united armada of smaller instances can absolutely blunt Lemmy World’s outsized influence (and, let’s be honest, their ego).
☠️ A word to the captains: before hoisting colours or locking in a course, we ask ye to let your crew have their say. Run a poll, open the deck for discussion, and listen to the voices aboard your vessel. These seas belong to all of us, and decisions that shape our fediverse should be made together, not from the captain’s quarters alone.
If other captains be keen to chart this course with us, drop anchor and make the pledge public in the comments. The more hands on deck, the harder it is to sink any one of us. Let us know if you are holding a vote!
dbzer0 and AN members can vote on this pledge in !div0_governance@lemmy.dbzer0.com, and quokk.au will be holding their own vote.
🏴☠️ Solidarity forever, and fair winds to the Flotilla!
governance type: sense check
I made a very similar post to this on the LW Announcement post, but this has since been slightly edited and fleshed out. But... for those unaware...
A user by the name of Luminous was an admin on Anarchist.nexus. They banned MrKaplan from a community for 'posting zionist apologia.' Luminous also had 'Murder all Zionists' as their display name. MrKaplan took this as a personal death threat. Instead of speaking with any other admin from Anarchist.nexus and reporting the behavior, MrKaplan instantly defederated from Anarchist.nexus. In the next couple of days, Kaplan messaged other users/admins of Lemmy about the defederation and suggested defederation to others as well.
After being posted in the Piefed general chat, PugJesus pushed back against the defederation.
The conversation moves elsewhere.
So, I messaged Kaplan. Conversation goes on and one thing is made clear, that Kaplan did not reach out to any of the Admins of Dbzer0 or Anarchist.nexus until after defederation had occured.
LWAdmins made an announcement post discussing the defederation but the post was not featured unlike all other recent posts made by the LWAdmin account, which felt underhanded. To make matters worse, Serinus (a moderator with admin level abilities), proceeded to step into the conversation and start removing offending posts for reasons listing anything from "We've heard your opinion" to "Misinformation" when screenshots proved otherwise. I say he has Admin level access because @Goferking0@ttrpg.network was banned from the Instance by an Automod I (and Jordan Lund) previously had access to. It sort of sidesteps the Modlog by not logging who actually did the removal, which I'm not a huge fan of, but this was also admitted by Serinus in a comment where he said he was the one who banned them. This being the same Serinus who said this of defederating with Anarchist.nexus:
Kaplan later doubled down in the LemmyWorld Discord Server, after the conversation I had with them in which they admitted having exactly zero evidence for this stance other than it "feeling odd", by stating:
Ruud, the head admin of Lemmy.world, has had no feedback on this position. The only natural conclusion one can come to is that the LW Admin team (of which Serinus now seems to be a part of as he speaks for the admins in the admin community and has admin tools) are not just fully willing to act based off of knee-jerk reactions, but aren't capable of communicating with other admins on issues that they may have with their instance. Or that they only will confer with you if your instance has enough users for them to consider a valid one.
Now, they have refederated with Anarchist.nexus since this situation but they haven't backed down from the threat of defederation. This is much like every other major problematic issue that has been brought up in the past with Lemmy.world. Their admin team drags their feet for an absurd amount of time, despite rolling in reports about moderator abuse or whatever else, and then expects people to act with pre-cog abilities without them informing you of their problems with your instance. Also seem to be willing to police how good your reasoning is on how you feel about the situation to judge whether or not it's appropriate to defederate.
To paraphrase what Kaplan said in one of those screenshots, it is not my intention to control who can or can’t be on admin teams on another instance but I do expect other instances to understand that an individual admin’s actions reflect their instance as a whole. Something Ruud seems to not care about and something that Kaplan belives does not apply to themself. Overall, the primary response by the LW Admin team has been to frame AN and Dbzer0 as either a small instance that “only has 165 users” or "only 71 monthly users" or a “vocal minority with an agenda”. For 20,000 users.
How long before its your instance on the chopping block for not telling them exactly what they want to hear? How many of your users will be silenced by Lemmy.world for a perceived sleight against them?
What Luminous did was idiotic and troll-esque. But what Kaplan is doing is considerably worse.
I don't think I have to state where I stand on this.
So if I'm following this right... Let's replace the term Zionist with Nazi.
Person 1 says "Nazis deserve to be murdered." Person 2 spouts rhetoric that sounds very Nazi-like. Person 2 gets called a Nazi. Person 2 now goes on a campaign saying that they're receiving death threats because of the transitive property and makes the nuclear move of defederating.
Is that what's happening here with Kaplan?
Exactly so.
Basically, yeah.
Can you link to the post please? This is important. I've heard a lot of accusations that they were zionist, but I'm still searching for proof.
Sorry for being unclear. That was the reason that Luminous gave in the modlog. I have no idea/input on that personally, especially when Luminous isn't an admin anymore.
then please make it clear that u have nothing to support this, and that u were just quoting luminous' modlog message.
as it stands, it taints ur entire post with the (possibly false) assumption that mrkaplan posted zionist apologia.
I added quotation marks. That being said, I refuse to accept that a single off-color ban reason is enough to 'taint' an encylopedia of abuse by Kaplan.
thanks. i didnt mean to imply it tainted the content of the post. what i meant is that it starts the reader off in a particular emotional state, based on an assumption.
for what its worth, i do agree that kaplans behaviour was wrong, especially for an admin.
Yeah, this is a big thing for me, too. Sure, the admins at .world seem to be pretty egregiously losing perspective and power tripping, but if they're defending a state doing a very public genocide right now, that's beyond insane. I'm probably in favor of the proposal either way, considering the blatant disregard for other admins and dereliction of duty for something as simple a just fucking communicating. However, if this behavior is also accompanied by someone defending a genocide state, we have some cleanup to do on the fediverse that may require some kind of campaign, because fashy behavior from someone with that much influence over the biggest instance is absolutely unacceptable in our fediverse.
Wait, they actually did defederate from anarchist.nexus, temporarily?
I've not been following this very closely.
That tempts me to just block the instance outright, now, personally... I've already blocked most of their mods, and I'm 95% sure jordanlund has either been personally, or assigned a bot to downvote any comment or post I make on .world that he notices, in retaliation for me chewing him out as an objectively racsist shitlib hypocrite like a year ago now.
... if they move another inch, fuck em.
I am beyond sick of these hollier than thou, smarter than you, emotionally unstable neckbeard dorks.
EDIT: Hey look, that one, solitary downvote showed up here too! ... how odd.
Correct. The most you could say, as Tenchiken did in the FAF Matrix, was that Kaplan defederated at the same time as they threatened Db0 (the user).
No attempt at outreach was made in order to rectify the situation prior to a defederation. It was taken as the first resort, not the last. Despite the admin being gone, refederation only occured, as the LWadmin account posted, because "there is no point in keeping anarchist.nexus defederated while [dbzer0] is federated."
This is the same admin team who dragged their feet for weeks on Jordan but instantly defederated from Anarchist.nexus, all users and all other admins be damned, and then threatened dbzer0 as a whole.
Fucking nuts.
Good on you for the writeups you've been doing on this... I don't have the patience or spare sanity meter, so to speak, to deal with and catalogue this absolute horseshit.
It's a nice distraction. My birthday is on Thursday and every year something usually goes catastrophically wrong. Just sort of waiting for it to lol this just gives me something else to focus on.
o7
Mine was last Tuesday. Here's to getting older!
Thanks for this rundown, I appreciate it
This should be pinned as well I think not a lot of people are in tune to the drama and I'm already seeing some misinfo flying around @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
It's not possible to pin other people's comments