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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Basic foundational "observations" by Economics aren't based on the Scientific Method.

I wish the Scientific Method didn't have "Method" in the name because while it is a sensible name it also is misleading.

Science is "method agnostic", a new promising method may uncover other methods and theories that totally pull the rug out from under old theories and methods that is a necessary and sometimes brutal aspect to scientific progress.

Economics, because it began and is sustained for the most part as a system of methods searching for justification for their continuation, is largely incapable of undergoing these necessary "method resets" that come periodically in any scientific discipline.

Chemistry can admit that atoms aren't tiny planets with electons orbiting like moons because Chemistry didn't start as the pursuit to find evidence for atoms being like solarsystems and flesh out the theory that atoms are like solarsystems.

Thus no matter if locally good science is being done in economics it is undermined by the uncomfortable need to preserve the survival of the foundatinal contextualizing methods and axioms they invoke implicitly from the truth uncovered, a vice that plagues any human endeavor consciously and subconsciously and not only keeps Economics from being a real science it also largely sucks the oxygen out of the room for actually scientifically rigorous study of these phenomena.

Alchemy is a great analog here to compare Economics too. Alchemists in the pursuit of trying to figure out how to turn things to gold did interact with and in some ways advance chemistry, but alchemy could never divest itself from its own pre-existing beliefs and methods as chemistry discovered more and more of the universe and began to accurately predict more and more of it.

If alchemy was capable discarding old methods to pursue understanding phenomena more lucidly and precisely chemistry would probably be called "alchemy" in english nowadays and alchemy would be called "pseudo-alchemy".

Economics equates to alchemy they express a desire of a system of methods, axioms and explanations to produce a certain end goal and it forms fatal shackles to the follies of the past.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Any time I've attempted to argue for alternative economic paradigms (not just alternative economic systems, but actually rethinking the fundamental assumptions and theories by which we study and attempt to understand economic systems and phenomena), lazy thinkers hit me with the "nuh uh, that's not what [classical economic theory] says! You don't know what you're talking about."

It's a thoughtless appeal to authority lacking any substance. The word for that is "dogma."

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I think a major casualty of the war on science funded primarily by fossil fuel interests has been that the kneejerk pro-science response has become a lazy appeal to authority.

People say "99% of scientists all agree listen to them you are not worthy of having an opinion on this!" and while it is arguably true lol, it also sends a message undermining to the interests of science.

Science is the practice of skepticism not of finding facts and crusading under their banner in a materialist campaign of conquest. Facts are rather the inevitable residue of science after science has subjected theories to extended and diverse torturuous inquisition.

I wish people defended science by saying it isn't a set of Correct Facts but a system of Skepticism that has thoroughly examined a shared body of knowledge and that you should assume that if the more fantastic sounding theories contained within that arena of "skeptical melee" haven't been dismantled that you can probably trust that they are real, as fantastic as they sound.

This when you shorten it sounds like an appeal to authority where the scientists are given undue authority but it is not the same thing. What matters is the environment of genuine skepticism that scientific theories and "facts" are subjected to in order to establish their validity that matters.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

Ugh, yes, when I was in university I had the audacity to attempt to have original thoughts, and everyone was like "Nuh uh, no one has ever said that anywhere in the source material."

But it's like "Someone said A, another person said B, and a third person said C. I'm just putting those together in a new way and telling you ABC." But they're like "None of the sources say ABC." So I'm like "Look at the world around you, and you can clearly see that ABC." And they're like "that's just anecdotal, not a peer-reviewed double-blind study."

I called it academic gatekeeping. I also said it's gaslighting ourselves into ignoring reality. They didn't like either of those things. They seemed to think I was some flat earth anti-vaxxer (I'm not).

Modern academia has become downright anti-intellectual and extremely averse to divergent or non-conforming outlooks. It's kinda sad.

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

I like the term Scientific filter. Theories get endlessly filtered though experimentation untill we get purer and purer truth.