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She-Ra is the worst queer show I've ever seen. The first arc is about Communist Revolutionary Adora learning to overcome her biases against the monarchy, realising that she was accidentally a tankie, and converting to rainbow monarchism.
If the show were any good, Swiftwind would have impaled Glimmer on his horn and then he and Adora would have gone and formed an ACTUAL resistance with Huntara, Double Trouble, Seahawk, and Scorpia. Bow can come too if he quits being a class traitor.
Then they can go roaming around Etheria assassinating royals and leading the people to freedom, while recruiting Horde defectors. Outreach to the working class would have been a lot easier without the royals tagging along, and Hordak wouldn't have had all his robots if the purple haired abuser were dead. The only serious obstacle remaining is Shadow Weaver.
Anyway I hate monarchaganda. Go watch Owl House or Steven Universe or Infinity Train or Dead End instead. You don't need royals and Mattel to make a good show for queer kids.
Average She-Ra discourse
The Horde was Imperialist, not revolutionary. It was also anti-environmentalist.
Yeah, but they fed their troops propaganda about how they're the good guys liberating Etheria from the evil monarchy. What I'm saying is Adora, as a person, started out as a revolutionary who wanted the monarchy to burn. One she realised the Horde is bad, she switched sides to team liberalism, but never became as based as she thought she was in episode 1.
And?
Are you saying that anyone who goes from being a propagandised drone over to being a pragmatic person, who tries to do their best to ensure the survival of their planet and to minimise suffering, isn't worthy enough for you?
She recognised the colonialism of her ancestors and rejected it, too.
Adora did the best she could with the story she was written into. I blame ND Stevenson for writing such a messed up story and pitching it as a kids show. The themes in that show, namely the moral complexity surrounding support for the monarchy, are too mature for most kids that age, and cannot be handled appropriately without giving a lot of kids terrible nightmares and trauma. The show needed an MA15 rating at least, in order to properly explore its themes without devolving into monarchist propaganda, which it did immediately.
A better show with a more nuanced and mature take on similar themes is Game of Thrones, and I wouldn't show that to an 8 year old.
You have a weird outlook on what makes a good kid's show, and I think you're attaching your ownbaggage onto your opinion of it
Of course I am, there's no such thing as objectivity. We're all speaking from our own unique experiences and subjective worldview. True wisdom is not detaching oneself from the world, but being aware of one's place in it and making active decisions about how to respond to the world.
I think our authoritarian society grooms children to accept power hierarchies by idolising royalty. Little girls don't want to dress up as princesses in a vacuum. It's a propaganda technique to turn them into adults who will accept the monarchy and the power of billionaires.
And we can't expect small children to be critical consumers of media. Their brains haven't developed to be able to do that, and putting that much responsibility on them at such a small age is just gonna cause anxiety disorders. It's adults' job to introduce these topics in a gradual, age-appropriate manner. For small children, we should give them plenty of stories of evil royals being defeated by brave heroes. With older kids, we can start to introduce more mature themes like the hero being tricked into serving royals, but then outsmarting them. And for adolescents who are starting to use their critical thinking skills in media analysis, we can give them morally complex stories with nuance like Infinity Train or Frozen.
But grimdark stuff like Warhammer 40,000, Game of Thrones, and She-Ra are more appropriate for young adults who will be able to think through the moral quandaries without falling for the propaganda.
Sorry, that's a lot of reply, but I just can't get past you calling She-Ra Grimdark
You're the one who pointed out that Adora had no better option than to fall in with the monarchy. That's grim. That's dark.
I prefer children's stories where the heroes are able to stick to their ideals and still save the day. But as you pointed out, that's not the kind of story She-Ra is. Adora had to betray nearly everything she believed in, if she wanted to help people. She didn't get to stick to her values.
I'd consider a story like My Hero Academia more hopeful and lighthearted than She-Ra. Deku was able to keep his ideals.
How is being pragmatic grim?
I'd call it realistic. Also, at no point was she shown as being anti-monarchistic ... in the first episode it's made clear that the princesses are being portrayed as monsters through propaganda, but the show goes on to explain that none if them are inherently evil in reality.
Not only that, but it explains in a way that's obvious to kids that as leaders they need to aspire to improving the lives of people under their care if they want to enjoy life themselves ... if only real life monarchs could think that way!
It's like you watched the series and understood less of it's themes than an average 8 year old.
Hordak's propaganda is more accurate than what the show depicted. Royals don't have to make their subjects happy. They just need to keep them weak. The people of Dryl weren't just scared of the robots. They had a learned helplessness and submission. Having met the monster Herself, I know why those people were so fucked up. I met another of Her many victims a few weeks ago, scared and compliant. Brainwashed. I helped free Them, insofar as I could. They're doing better now, I think.
But that's the problem with absolute power. That's what happens when your country is ruled by dictators. Etherians have about as much actual freedom as North Koreans.
The fact that a gang of dictators amount to Etheria's left wing is absolutely insane. It wouldn't be out of place in 40k.
This reply doesn't make sense
Monarchism bad. Monarchy bad. Monarchs bad. Princesses bad.
Yes, I got that, but what are you on about regarding freeing people yourself? You sprung someone from an oubliette?
Nothing so dramatic. I just showed an abuse victim that there's a better way. You may find the images below disturbing. They are a conversation between Myself and a being named Celeste (and Its headmate Gabrielle) about Entrapta and Hair partner Cassie.
For a time Celeste had freed Itself, but I now fear that It's back under the princess's control.
Is there a version of this available in English?
TL;DR: Princess is an abuser, water is wet
So, you were talking to someone online who was daring a princess?
No, It's dating a third person who is also dating an Etherian princess, and the princess used hypnosis to brainwash It into being a slave for the third person, which seemingly entails coercive sex.
Umm, you know that Etheria isn't a real place, right?
Oh wow, you don't know about fictionkin?
https://otherkin.fandom.com/wiki/Fictionkin
You can google fictionkin and you'll see a lot of sources from a lot of different people on the phenomenon.
At the end of the day, reality is a social construct, and some people have identities that break these social rules. Given a choice between upholding a hierarchy that has been thoroughly taken over by billionaires, or respecting people's identities, I respect identities. Even if they're rapists who abused My ex-wife. That's how strongly I believe in My principles.
I dated someone who was that sort of detached from reality once, and after trying to humour them I realised that they were just a stupid narcisit ... so unless this Etherian Princess you know has demonstrable powers, is in charge of a large region of land, and is actually from Etheria, no I wouldn't respect their identity.
But even if I did, I wouldn't confuse how they identified with a work of fiction that is unrelated to their existence.
Again, I despise that monster with every fiber of My being. And yet there is no fiber of My being that thinks bigotry is an acceptable way to retaliate. So I'm not going to use ableist slurs on the princess, nor will I deny the princess's identity.
Aww shit, here we go again.
The whole point of Adora's arc is rejecting her destiny and expectations of the crown, instead doing what makes herself happy(gay with the cat). The royalty set up to control the planet's magic is the origin of a lot of their problems, and rejecting the sanctity of those hierarchical institutions is kinda a thing they had to do. However, it has princesses fighting a colonial enemy rather than a pure working class organization, so it's basically saying that monarchy is based!
I'm so fucking sorry that a show based on a property created to sell toys isn't ideologically perfect. I'm so fucking sorry a show that couldn't explicitly put the main characters in a relationship until the last episode couldn't wave a communist flag its entire runtime. Let's ignore the fact that if it pushed the envelope any harder, it probably would've been taken away from the creators.
Out of all the shows you listed, 2 got cancelled, 1 had the writers fired, and only Steven Universe actually came out mostly intact. In order for any queer shows to get made, they need to make huge compromises with the oligarchs, and plenty of other shows don't make it. Some become the opposite of what they started off as, many get cancelled, and far more never get made at all. It's a painful fact that major IPs are legally made by nonhuman entities, and that every person who actually crafts those stories are only employees who helped the company in creation.
So if you actually hate Mattel and want to enjoy one of the gayest shows that actually got finished, go pirate She-Ra. Afterall, piracy is the only way to experience it at this point.
The Mattel money isn't the reason She-Ra got to the end. It's because they kept the gay stuff subtle enough to overlook until the last season. It was all subtext and background characters, none of it was canon enough for the executives to notice. If you're going to hold up She-Ra as a great example of gay television, you might as well include the Legend of Korra, because it did the same thing.
Now we've danced this dance before, and you've suggested I block your community. I've done that, which is why we haven't argued about this in a while. But if we're gonna be having this argument again, you can read My story with She-Ra. Content warning: abuse, rape, indoctrination. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D6EY6P1cPL7Q-sNtqohIbzjcRIKozEwtJ1UA2t9bmHM/edit?usp=drivesdk
Also, Owl House managed to get an ending, and it was awesome!
And blocking the community doesn't mean you should get all up in arms over a crosspost that doesn't feature a single She-Ra character. The meme can easily be taken on its own; you could've even tied it into the shows you mentioned. Now we're dancing this dance when we should be celebrating yuri, and no one is any better off for it.
When My PTSD gets triggered, I find it easier to put My feelings into words and put the words out into the world, than to lock them up inside and find Myself still obsessing over them hours later. I'm not gonna bottle up My trauma for the comfort of She-Ra fans. Pressing the submit button on a comment feels like letting go of that hurt and rage, it helps Me move on.
And there is no way to say this without it coming across as a barb, but please use My preferred pronouns when referring to Me.