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Iran has more credibility than the orange pedophile
I would not at all go that far. Iran's regime is horrendous and they were murdering and abducting civilians by the thousands for the past year or two. They are just as in need of a propaganda win as fuckface.
Remember everyone: Just because one side is an asshole doesn't mean the other isn't one too.
the thing is we in the rest of the world are in the middle of a gun fight between two gangs. We like neither of them much at this point but really wish they'd stop shooting everywhere and their bosses just go resolve their issues with knives in a dark alley or something.
I feel like an unwilling participant on the U.S. side. I want my tax dollars to stop going to this shit. First time in my life that I've seriously thought we should stop paying federal taxes.
Preposter said they have more credibility, not that they are less horrible. I feel that's an important distinction
Its one and the same.
They don't have any more (or less) credibility than the us government has. If the Iranian regime says something about how the war is going, assume it is a lie by default.
It is just in this specific case, what they say tends to line up with what third parties are corroborating.
Again. Fascist regimes lie. They don't HAVE credibility as a result. That doesn't mean everything they say is a lie, but it does mean everything they say should be verified by third parties.
No one is saying that Iran is credible, they just said they have more credibility than the US.
It's not a white and black situation, you can still be absolutely untrustworthy, but still slightly more credible than the next worst even less credible person.
I am aware of everything you said... yet Iran STILL has more credibility than the child rapist pressy
I am not, AT ALL, saying Iran is not an asshole, that's just your strawman
There is no strawman. I was literally responding to
In this specific situation? Iran's official line is more likely to be correct. If we were to look at things tomorrow, that very well might flip around. If you consider being correct in the moment to be "credibility" then... you probably should reassess your decision making skills.
Regardless: To quote the great one
Then what the fuck are you arguing against? you literally said you would "not go as far" as to believe Iran when I claim I did just to backpedal here
Did I say I will believe Iran forever? no, that was you making up a strawman.. you are creating stuff out of thin air to attack those instead of what people actually said... that is the definition of a strawman
I think you're being pretty objectively fair people just aren't having it in this moment. Don't trip, shit happens.
Every side in this conflict sucks, but I'd still believe the officials in Iran over the officials in the US. The American government is very obviously and methodically lying to our faces every single day and without shame. I don't see a reason to assume the same for Iran, even if they are terrible people.
Fascist dictators lie.
Just because you like the lie you are hearing doesn't mean it is more likely to be true than not.
I am inclined to agree with the official Iranian line on this specific topic. But that has less to do with what Iran is saying and more to do with what I have gleamed from the OSINT community and third party news orgs.
Which side are you talking about? Honestly, it needs clarification
Of course dictators lie. But yeah, looking at the situation at hand, Iran does not have much to gain from lying in a public statement that is not directed towards their own population. The US definitely does though, they do it all the time.
Iran doesn't have "much to gain" from insisting they defeated The Evil United States and that no matter what the US throws at them they won't give up the Strait?
The US is still, technically, the muscle of The Western World... at least right now. Saying that you withstood them (and all signs are that Iran has) is a HUGE "win" for a regime. Both in terms of making sure the people who were rebelling a few months back know they have no hope and nobody will come to save them but also to look strong in case any of the other superpowers want to back them up as a puppet regime.
And a LOT of the claims the Iranian regime have made have been rather suspect over the course of this war. A lot of it is "fair" murkiness when things were even more chaotic. But even their recent missile attack in the Indian Ocean is a mess of carefully leaked verbiage as each side decides whether they want to call it a failed attack or a warning shot. And I want to say the US/Israel started as the former before pivoting to the latter to try to convince Europe to join them.
Doesn't change the fact that Irans fucking war propaganda is more credible than the tweets of the President of the United States of America.
As someone else mentioned Iran is morally reprehensible but they haven’t been found lying so often like Israel and US.
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They are a regime that has imprisoned and murdered civilians by the thousands. They didn't like TO YOU because you weren't paying attention.
Look, I realize we all want clear good guys and bad guys. And your favorite influencers LOVE to play on that to get views for their twitch channels. But this isn't even a case where "Well, Hamas does a lot of evil things but they are morally justified in my opinion". This is two evil fucking regimes going to war for no apparent reason.
Trust third parties. Trust facts. Don't trust fascist fucking dictators.
I don't understand this refusal to side with the lesser of two evils.
Yes, Iran's government is very bad in some ways, such as tratment of gay people. However, it is completely ridiculous to equivocate them with America and Israel. Iran isn't a world-bestriding empire responsible for tens of millions of deaths in its pursuit of world domination, nor is it a fascist ethnostate with unlimited territorial ambitions undertaking an active genocide. It's a religious conservative semi-democracy with a relatively robust welfare system and a strong public sector - basically if you added sharia law to a nordic model social democracy then placed it under a state of perpetual siege, you get Iran. This is not comparable to genocidal nazi pedophiles.
If you then factor in the fact that Iran's opponents are completely lawless and are serial violators of the UN charter (plus the UN genocide convention), while Iran is fighting a defensive war, it becomes completely possible for any reasonable person to desire any other outcome other than Iran's victory. You can say that they're a "regime" and that they're heckin fascists (they're not and you don't know what fascism is), but they're objectively fighting for international law and the rights of the developing world against imperial domination. It doesn't matter what their actual internal motivations are, these are the de jure stakes of this war.
So getting bombed by the USA equals "This is two evil fucking regimes going to war for no apparent reason"?? or you were referring to Israel and the USA?
You see, this is exactly why you are losing credibility. You are trying to seem neutral but the bias just oozes out.
We are all aware Iran sucks, but you seem to be clinging to the "the USA is fighting for democracy" BS that was stale a decade ago
So getting bombed by the USA equals “This is two evil fucking regimes going to war for no apparent reason”??I don’t want to get dragged into the rest of this argument, but yes getting bombed and then retaliating with missiles does mean that Iran has gone to war. It doesn’t mean they started it, which is very worth noting, but it does mean they’ve gone to war.
Iran can be considered an evil regime, the USA can be considered an evil regime, therefore the two of them being at war does mean it can be said that two evil regimes are going to war.
No. I am not. Again. It is incredibly obvious you view the world as good versus evil. You cannot look at an event without deciding who is the good guy and who is the bad guy and you ignore whatever facts get in the way of that. A LOT of people do that. It is a symptom of the infantilization of so much Western media. But that isn't real life and all you are doing by the constant "gotta hand it to them" nonsense is literally caping for murderous bastards.
Because, like I said,
Where do you get this? I am simply stating that, in this situation, trump has NO credibility and therefore I tend to believe Iran's opposing statement
It seems clear this is your take on things and you are just imposing it on everyone else
Again which 2 are you referring to? Iran and the USA? or the USA and Israel?
Absolutely but also it isn’t a battle of equals and I always tend toward the underdog. And both country’s domestic regimes are horrible but in the international arena here there is one clear aggressor and that is the USA I hope they get a bloody nose..
America’s regime is also horrendous.
Nobody said they weren't
Chaotic Evil versus Neutral Evil. Neutrals do have higher credibility than chaotic.
I'd argue Iran's closer to true neutral. They do some human rights violations, but they also have a pretty strong welfare state and good labour rights.
If you had to choose, would you rather move to Iran than USA?
Iran, by a wide margin. But it's beside the point and I reject the premise of your argument. You are implying that the primary category a country should be judged by is the treatment of its own citizens.
While that is a category a country should be judged by, it is not the only one. How a country treats people in other countries is also a factor, and in that category America is a global empire that extracts wealth from the third world and uses it to enrich its oligarchs. This also factors into the former category, as some of this wealth is used to increase the standard of living for Americans and thus buy off the population. Iran does not have the benefit of using imperial holdings to increase its citizens standard of living, but that also means it doesn't loot other countries.
https://www.economicsandpeace.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/The-Iran-War-and-The-Global-Terrorism-Threat.pdf
But I'm guessing that this is self-defence from your point of view?
Do you have anything besides unsourced assertions from a western think tank?
All we can hope is that both sides take each other out, and the world is left without both regimes