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MJ calls what happened to her in Zion national park “small ‘T’ trauma”. She knows women have experienced worse from their partners. But she still feels the anger of being left behind on a hike by her now ex. “It brings up stuff in my body that maybe I have not cleared out yet,” she said.

Five years ago, MJ and a new partner – he was not exactly her boyfriend, and the pair were not exclusive – traveled from Los Angeles to Utah for an adventure getaway. MJ, who is 38 and works in PR, was looking forward to exploring Zion’s striking scenery; its vast sandstone canyon and pristine wading trails were on the list. But on the morning of their big hike, MJ was not feeling well. She could not shake the feeling that something was “off”; indeed, MJ would learn on this trip that her partner was seeing other women.

As they made their way up Angel’s Landing, MJ’s partner started walking faster than her. “I could tell it was getting on his nerves that I was slow,” she said. “I was like, ‘Fuck it, just go ahead of me.’” He did without hesitation.

When she caught up at the top of the mountain, they took a picture together. Then her partner hiked down the mountain with a woman he had met on the way up, leaving MJ to finish by herself. They broke up shortly after that trip. (MJ asked to be referred to by her initials for the sake of speaking openly about a past relationship.)

Last month, MJ opened TikTok and heard the phrase “alpine divorce”, a label she now attaches to her experience in Zion.

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[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 125 points 5 days ago (6 children)

the pair were not exclusive

MJ would learn on this trip that her partner was seeing other women

…isn’t that was “not exclusive” means?

[–] sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today 44 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Casual partners may still prefer to know if their partner is sleeping with others for a variety of reasons. The first one that comes to mind is health.

[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sure. My point is, though, isn’t that already implied by them not being exclusive?

[–] sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today 31 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

They could be not exclusive but still agree to let the other know when they introduce a new sex partner.

Y'all never heard of safe sex?

[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Soooo, this guy was a dick, but aren't you just defining "exclusive until we say we are not"?

Maybe I'm getting old and have lost the lingo (very possible) but I feel like we're redefining exclusive here.

[–] sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

How would they be exclusive if additional sex partners are allowed? It’s not an asking for permission scenario, it’s just keeping your partners informed of who is involved.

I’ve mostly done so for health reasons.

[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I still think we are saying the same thing.

"Let's not put labels on anything, let's just choose to not have any other partners while we are sleeping together. If one us changes our mind about that, they should be up front with the other person about it."

"Let's be exclusive. If one us changes our mind about that, they should be up front with the other person about it."

Am I missing something? Is "exclusive" used for a different definition now?

[–] sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

They could already have existing partners and wouldn’t be exclusive, but have an agreement to inform if there are new partners being added.

Also being exclusive is a more serious type of relationship than just friends with benefits imo.

[–] RaphaelSchmitz@feddit.org 0 points 3 days ago

The chance that they agreed on that and she wouldn't mention it is slim, though

[–] InTheNameOfScheddi@lemmy.world -5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I'm shocked by this comment section... Guys defending some POS for leaving their non-committed partner on their own?

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 days ago

I mean, she said go on without me. 

It's an out and back. They waited for them up at the top.

To me the only shitty part is dumping them for another partner on the way down, goddamn that's pretty shitty. We're only hearing half the story though. Maybe she was being a jerk too and he didn't want to put up with it.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You don't expect your BF to hook up with someone new mid-mountain.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Actually it says he wasn't exactly her boyfriend either

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Ok so it’s ok to abandon your fuck buddy. TIL

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I was talking about the hooking up mid mountain part, which is what your comment I replied to was primarily about. And the OPs too.

You can just admit you missed that part instead of getting defensive.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I missed nothing. That is not important to the story. When you go into the wilderness with someone, you have formed an inherent defense pact and have a duty of care to each other. Hooking up mid mountain and leaving the other person, regardless of their relationship, is immoral. If harm comes to them, then it was likely illegal.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Your comment wasn't talking about the "abandoning mid mountain" part. It was talking about the relationship status part. That's the part I corrected. We weren't, in this comment chain, talking about the overall story - it was about your comment on their relationship. Stop trying to build a strawman.

Geez, Americans really can't admit they made even a minor mistake.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world -5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Adding you to my block list. Keep your petulant pedantry to yourself.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Point proven lol

[–] jefferyjefferson@lemmy.org 8 points 5 days ago

Yeah, this is just zoomers not realizing what they've signed up for.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 12 points 5 days ago

"I thought he was only seeing other men!"

[–] podian@piefed.social 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Uhhhh

"seeing other women" means "not exclusive"

but "not exclusive" does not always mean "seeing other women"

He could be, just as one example of many, very unsuccessful at trying to see other women despite having an existing "nonexclusivity" agreement with her.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

yes, but people are emotional and they don't abide by their own terms

every casual relationship i ever had was never actually casual. it was just full on monogamy with a 'get out of jail if someone better comes along' card built in.