ruffsl

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Nix CI Benchmarks (garnix-io.github.io)
submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by ruffsl@programming.dev to c/nix@programming.dev
 

Background:

[–] ruffsl@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

Still seems a little too idealistic, not sure how this would really shake down with more complex build systems or multilingual projects.

[–] ruffsl@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I haven't dug into Guix yet, so is the config more of a markup and less of Turing complete language? That sounds like it'd be easier to grock or optimize an LSP for.

I have heard that Guix takes a stronger stance with respect to unfree software. I don't think any of the official nix Hydra infrastructures build for unfree packages, but they are packaged and indexed into nixpkgs. Has Guix been difficult at all in that regard, i.e. using proprietary drivers or closed libraries for work or personal hardware?

[–] ruffsl@programming.dev 8 points 11 months ago

As soon as you veer off the beaten path, things can get really tricky.

For med tech and robotics development, I'm still using Debian via docker because the surrounding ecosystems for those software communities are so tightly integrated with the Debian.

[–] ruffsl@programming.dev 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think installing NixOS is something that could really benefit from more community mentoring or nearby a local linux user group.

Now that I have a working config for my hardware, I feel like I could explain it all to my old self in under half an hour. But to get to that point of familiarity took a few days. Having someone over your shoulder to save a new user most of any trial and error could go a long way in terms of adoption or bounce rate. It's like subject that can be tricky to approach solo, but could be trivial if tutored even slightly formally.

If you also like me prefer spoken/visual instructions over written forms, I'd also recommend these resources:

[–] ruffsl@programming.dev 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well let me at least leave why I think Nix is not it at the moment:

  • Software Center - browsing search.nixos.org isn't quite the same in terms low friction and discoverability
    • You already have to know what you're looking for, and it can't make system config on your behalf
    • Debian or conventional package managers usually offer a native GUI for package selection and deployment
  • System Defaults - the minimality of a basic default install can cause a lot of papercuts
    • the default boot partition is rather small given the OS's prepecity to add new kernels with new generations
    • and without any garbage collection service enabled by default, user first encounter switch failures due to this
  • External Binaries Compatibility - Linux also suffers from this in general as compared to MacOS or Windows
    • in addition to being much more niche, reuse of existing binaries from more prevalent distros becomes complicated
    • the desktop ISO could suggest a nix-ld config with default libs most binary distributes expect, easing in new users
  • The Nix language - much more complex than conventional cong markup langs, being more of a turing complete DSL
    • partial working LSP impare introspection while writing, and the runtime error messages are poorly formatted
    • most desktop users (in debian or fedora) have little need to learn their OS's packaging schemas, but NixOS users do
[–] ruffsl@programming.dev 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

What are we doing here? This isn’t even an argument.

Correct, this isn't an argument, or at least I'm not trying to argue.
All I wanted to learn what exact properties you though makes for a better desktop OS.

I'm in agreement that NixOS isn't the best for mainstream desktop user base, but like any decent inquiry or survey, if I just preemptively bias someone's responses with my own observations on NixOS defecenties, then there wouldn't be as much of a case to before ask what they think other Linux Distro do better in the first place.

Not everyone who strikes up a convo online for a debate, and not all (but quite a few) who ask questions are trolls.

[–] ruffsl@programming.dev 12 points 11 months ago

It's a slippery slope, to be sure.

[–] ruffsl@programming.dev 7 points 11 months ago (5 children)

It doesn’t matter, because Nix isn’t built for it. That’s not it’s purpose or what it’s best at.

I was asking more about linux distros other than NixOS.

They all offer a better desktop experience because they are tuned with their packages and experience.

  • Would you say it's a front end aspect? If user driven system changes were as simple as using a Software Center UI?
  • A similar [desktop] experience sounds relative, what the comparison? Windows, MacOS, linux?
[–] ruffsl@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Not great for an uncontrolled user experience.

  • Interesting. What linux distros are optimal for that use case?
    • Specifically what properties of those distros make them ideal?
[–] ruffsl@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago

Does anyone know of an Android app to install an additional 3rd party TTS engine that can then be configured to point to a custom Open-AI/Fast-API endpoint for self hosting higher quality voices that are not easily run/fit on mobile hardware?

[–] ruffsl@programming.dev 5 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I didn't hear much about the project over this summer.

Switched from Gnome to Plasma a little after Unity expired, as I couldn't keep up with the churn of Gnome plugins, and hoping Cosmic could balance customizability with stability. KDE has been great with adding HDR support and Wayland features, though as a Rust lang fan, I'm still curious what Cosmic will bring to the table in terms of plugin API and tooling.

[–] ruffsl@programming.dev 15 points 11 months ago

Some poignant questions for these new platform requirements:

  • How do you anticipate this being used against journalists and advocacy groups?
  • What research and statistical quantification will be done to evaluate the amount of harm these restrictions can inflict?
  • What precautions or safeguards will users have against malicious state actors or capitulating corporations?
  • How can developers protect themselves from liable damages due to service interruptions caused by third party verification?
  • Do you foresee legal restrictions in rollout due to national security concerns from differing nation states?
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