kalrados12

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[–] kalrados12@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have better chances here, because I still plan to complete higher education, as I have some opportunities for this and the age to do so. I should note that I already have a higher education degree, which I obtained in Ukraine. I understand that I mentioned examples of professions that are difficult to integrate into society. But believe me, in many cases language is not the problem, because all these people, regardless of age, learn the language well. They all have B2 or C1.

I should also say that Austria does not allow us to complete language courses at B2 level or higher for free; those have to be paid for out of pocket. In addition, we are not allowed to train for professions where there are many locals.

I’ll give an example. My best friend, after graduating from university in Ukraine, went to her caseworker, who asked her what she wanted to work as here. She said she wanted to work as a Bürofrau. She was told that this was impossible because only Germans work there. She didn’t just face resistance — she was effectively pushed into becoming a caregiver for the elderly. Her diploma was completely ignored. And these stories are the same for almost all Ukrainians.

[–] kalrados12@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Regarding progressive ideas, I strongly disagree with the claim that everyone back home is unprogressive. People who were born and raised in large cities are very progressive. You can also look at the demographic map and see that we have a large number of cities. In addition, a significant part of the population from eastern Ukraine is generally atheist. Those who identify as Orthodox are, in practice, not really religious, and many people there do not even celebrate Christmas. Overall, the country is secular on all sides.

There are also historical and social facts that are often ignored. Women in Ukraine gained access to higher education relatively early compared to many European societies, and women’s participation in education, science, and the workforce has long been normalized. Urban society was shaped by industrialization, strong scientific institutions, and a tradition of secular education. Even today, attitudes toward gender roles, education, and personal freedoms in major cities are closer to what is usually called “progressive” than people from outside often assume.

[–] kalrados12@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don’t know how much migrants from other countries receive, but there is one clear difference I personally encountered. On courses in Austria, Syrians were allowed to take exam tests more often and fail them, while Ukrainians were only given a few attempts. If a Ukrainian fails, they can lose their social benefits. I met many Syrians who intentionally failed the test in order not to work for longer. In my group, which I completed, more than half failed the test, and all of them were Syrians. All Ukrainians passed the test. And please understand, I am writing this without racism. This is simply the only situation in which I personally encountered different treatment.

[–] kalrados12@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

I don’t know how true this is. But I spoke to an American guy here, and when I asked him what struck him about Germany and what is different compared to America, he mentioned attitudes toward other cultures. He said that if an American hears that you are from some unusual place or an interesting culture, they will want to take an interest in you and ask questions. Germans, on the other hand, never really ask; they may simply not care.

[–] kalrados12@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago

i also wasn’t sure where exactly this question fits best, so i left it here. if someone knows a better place for it, i can repost..

 

I’m from Ukraine and I was forced to move to Austria. I speak German at a B1 level, which I learned in about six months (I also had some basics from school).

What I keep noticing, quite often, is a kind of “white racism” toward Eastern Europeans, especially Ukrainians. Online and in the news there is a lot of sympathy for Ukrainians. In real life, however, we are often treated as if we were mentally backward natives. In one conversation, an Austrian seriously asked me whether we even have the internet in Ukraine. A friend of mine, who already has a child, told me that her child gets bullied at school because of their background, sometimes even indirectly by teachers. Situations like this are not rare.

I’m not here just to complain. I’m genuinely trying to understand why this happens. Why are we treated this way? Is it because Eastern Europe is seen as less economically developed? Yes, salaries are higher here, but not everyone here is a millionaire. I also see many homeless people on the streets who clearly look European, most likely Austrians.

Another friend once told me a story about an Austrian guy she dated. He seemed to come from a wealthy family, with parents working in a big bank. He openly talked about Ukrainian women as prostitutes and Ukrainians in general as homeless people, and his friends supported these views. I’ve also lived in Germany for some time and saw similar attitudes there.

For example, Ukrainians are very often pushed toward jobs like elderly care, as if that’s all we are fit for. Meanwhile, most Ukrainians I know who are now doing hard physical work here actually have higher education. Back in Ukraine they were lawyers, business owners, doctors.

I’m really interested in hearing thoughts on why this perception exists and where it comes from.