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And another comment, since my other comment is so long: your criticism of the availability heuristic (making conclusions based only on what you’ve seen) is pretty based.

It’s the availability heuristic and the concept of in-group homogeneity that I think have caused a lot of our societal problems; quite honestly, it’s probably the source of almost every human-made problem in history.

Thank you for reminding me not to succumb to that.

When I say “demons”, I mostly mean the kind of people who you wish you could go get a time machine and kill Hitler when he’s 5 or something because his actions are so horrifying (a criteria I think most Republican elected and appointed leaders have been fulfilling for a long time now).

And of course, the kind of Republican voters who kick their kid out of the house because they’re gay or trans are likely on that list (well, except maybe you want to avoid erasing some queer people from the timeline with the aforementioned time travel method, but you get the idea).

I can see what you’re saying, so I want to be clear that I do not absolve Republican voters of their crimes, and my concession is neither a denial that action needs to be taken nor a suggestion that a lot of people don’t deserve consequences. “Not demons” is pretty much the bare minimum for me, of having the minimum shred of decency left in you that allows you to still deserve life.

If my initial words appear to falsely morally equalize both sides, that is not my intent.

I also just view a lot of these people as stuck in a Plato’s cave; they’ve been conditioned by their environment to do what they do, and while it doesn’t make what they do right, it is nonetheless sad to know maybe they never had a chance at doing the right thing and never will.

(Of course, it is incredibly arrogant to assume I’m not in some Plato’s cave of my own; perhaps I am.)

To be fair, my intent was less because of that and more because at times, some people just want to go to c/TenForward for a bit of escapism, and dark memes may not fit that.

Though you do bring up a good point about a major side effect, and I worry a bit that I’ve succumbed to self-censorship.

Yeh, I feel that. As much as I try to be hippy here, I can't disagree with that.

I agree with all your points. I don't deny or absolve them of their wrong; they should very much be aware they're hurting people.

My definition of "demon" is Hitler/Stalin/Mao/Pinoche level, and despite the evil they do and the fact that they collectively enable "demons", I don't think they themselves rise to that level of evil. There are shades of gray.

When I say, “It is difficult to think of how they could coexist”, I mean if they refuse to be kind and coexist with others, meaning that they’ve truly refused to coexist and thus renounced that right.

I agree there need to be consequences for being horrid, I just think human rights need to be considered in those consequences as not to become horrid.

Also, I sort of view human civilization as a whole through the lens of Kohlberg’s theory of moral development. In many ways, we’re still in the pre-conventional stage where we still behave based on punishment and reward, and for humanity to survive long term (if we can), we need to strive as a society towards the post-conventional stage where we are largely beyond pain and punishment. We will likely never attain the post-conventional stage much like a circle can never be perfectly round, but we must approach it the best we can.

"What stuff? Stop that! When I find you, I'm gonna kill you with a flake of my power! I am a skin of evil."

Lower Decks! Lower Decks!

I somewhat rebut that notion, but still, that is brutally funny, so I have to upvote. I have known a decent amount of jerk Republicans as well; one of my university classes is in a room next to where the campus Turning Point meeting is held, and it boils my blood a bit.

Honestly, my response to a comment on the c/risa version of this post pretty much sums up my point, so I won't write it up again: https://startrek.website/post/30091443/19306453

Yes and no. I think some people are intolerant out of true hatred and will choose to always act in bad faith. It is difficult to think of how they could coexist.

But also, a lot of people are just intolerant because they don't actually know the people they're hurting, only what they've been told. If they actually got to know the people their vote affects, they might have second thoughts - maybe not change their votes, but at the least be more prepared to live in a tolerant society. Automatically taking away this sector of the intolerant's "right to coexist" (assuming this is an accurate interpretation of your point - I don't intend to sealion, so correct me if I'm wrong) denies them the opportunity to learn and evolve as people and turns us into the intolerant in a sense.

This does not absolve them of their wrong, this does not mean we don't take concrete action against intolerance in society (and unfortunately, sometimes it does mean taking away people's "right to coexist" if they refuse to coexist, although we should avoid it as much possible), and this does not mean these people shouldn't face the consequences of their actions.

Honestly, I often very angry about the intolerant, and part of me wants to feel they've renounced their humanity (the good part, anyway) in some sense, but at the end of the day I have to remind myself such thoughts are not conducive to building a good society (that is, assuming we still have a chance for one, which is not a given).

Reminds me of Mariner jettisoning herself out the holographic airlock saying, "Fail me, fail me, fail me."

You're forgetting Ad Homicide: Just because you killed someone doesn't mean you're right.

(And of course, its vice versa, just because you (or someone with your views) got killed doesn't mean you're right, which admittedly is less common in history, but nonetheless something to be aware of to evaluate arguments critically.)

You know, I think Paramount+ could increase its rating by one star just by replacing the mountain in its splash screen with Pike’s face and a huge Pike’s peak.

Of course, another star would come from the app actually working well and allowing you to actually use the resolutions you pay for on all the devices you owned, but the DRM cult continues, punishing paying customers and making pirating a more pleasant experience in some ways.

Another star or two would come from Paramount actually having the spine to stick up to authoritarians rather than sucking up to them in the name of profits, but that’s not going to happen with the oligopoly the American entertainment industry has become.