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Will SNW (or any future Trek) Retcon Mojave, California? in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I could understand a few across the city, but I’d say 50 miles of parkland around a city is a little excessive.

You could also probably at least partially pull off “lush” with more native species, which they don’t seem to do.

Additionally, I imagine there’s some people still enjoying desert off-roading or a newer equivalent in the 23rd and 24th century (probably with regulations, of course).

Granted, I’m a bit biased, considering I live in the Southwest and am a fan of some of the more beautiful deserts. I do hate the climate change-induced annual shattering of heat records, though. Never fun when it’s 110s out, especially when you have to walk to classes… No

[solved] How to backup a bunch of blu-rays? in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I’ve done it with ffmpeg before - I think the command’s on the Arch wiki. I preserved subtitles as well. I overall remember it being pretty reasonable since I didn’t set it up to re-encode, just pass through original video.

Will SNW (or any future Trek) Retcon Mojave, California? in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

I think it is in Menageries, but I’ll have to check.

Will SNW (or any future Trek) Retcon Mojave, California? in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago

I agree weather controls exist - in fact, they'd probably be needed to solve extreme heat and drought in the city.

However, I don't think terraforming Mojave is the same thing as terraforming a planet - most planets they colonize that aren't already suitable for human life don't have a native ecosystem to begin with. What the pilot seems to depict is the elimination of an existing ecosystem and many habitats, which I feel doesn't seem very Trek-esque. While they would modify the local environment to improve living conditions, I don't think they would be inclined to do this much environmental damage.

Food Network puts in bid for Star Trek IP in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

Seriousy?! We can have a Klowahkans series but not a Klingons or Vulcans one?

A huge question regarding alternate timelines related to Picard. in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

While the VOY crew themselves still wear what you mentioned, we do see their Alpha quadrant counterparts are wearing First Contact Uniforms.

I'll revise to make it clearer who I'm talking about.

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Will SNW (or any future Trek) Retcon Mojave, California? (startrek.website)
 

In the pilot, they depict Mojave, California as being very terraformed from a desert to a lush parkland.

However, I find this a bit antiquated... this seems to be very much rooted in an atomic age scientific idealism that thought of how we could make the world work for us and bring it to more western standards of natural beauty.

I think this is in conflict with the TNG solar punk aesthetic and the general respect for nature implied by the Prime Directive - notice how there's no desert bushes in sight as if they wiped them out. This seems to be insane damage to the ecosystem.

I wonder if they'll ever revisit Mojavo on-screen, and whether they'll retcon this so that Mojave is a gorgeous desert town where they solved the problems of drought and extreme heat plaguing the southwestern US while working in tandem with and even boosting the local wildlife, rather than just razing everything and plastering grass and non-native trees over it.

I'd bet we probably only have 3 seasons for it to happen, considering that 5 seasons has tended to be the length of most recent Trek shows (except poor old Prodigy). The only thing giving me hope is that SNW seems to be a decently successful series.

A huge question regarding alternate timelines related to Picard. in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

EDIT: Clarified that in Endgame, I was talking about alpha quadrant Starfleet officers.

For your first question, I'd agree with others that it was a possible future that just didn't happen in the Prime Timeline - there is a timeline out there where "All Good Things" didn't happen and so that's the future there. It was the future until Picard saw it.

As for your second, I would say it was still a false positive. It's just we didn't have enough Borg shenanigans in the TNG era alt future timelines for anyone to care about the difference, combined with Jack Crusher probably never being born.

For the uniforms, my overall theory is that what we saw as the the early 2380s uniform and mid-2380s badge design process started in the mid-to-late 2370's. The overall more peaceful nature of each of the three timelines with the alternate future uniform meant that either the TNG uniform (for "All Good Things" and "The Visitor") or First Contact uniform ("Endgame", for Alpha quadrant personnel) lasted into roughly the late 2380s or early 2390s. This gave more time for the concept for what would have been the prime 2380s uniform to develop before rolling out much later in about the mid 2390s, slightly changing the uniform shape and getting rid of the black area on top. This uniform design was very persistent against temporal interference, but it was no match for the timeline alterations by Voyager's early return, which caused a faster design cycle and early rollout for what became the early 2380s uniform and Starfleet uniforms in general.

I especially see it in this comparison:

Janeway 2404 vs Janeway 2383

Here's some deeper analysis if you want it, contained in spoilers to keep post length down (lots of nitpicking and rants about Klingon-Federation relations):

"All Good Things"

spoilerWithout a lot of temporal interference, this uniform arises. I think we can infer by Beverly still being in Starfleet that this is a relatively peaceful timeline to, meaning that influential uniform designers have lower change of death or being gripped by despair and making DS9-style uniforms.

There is the breakdown in Klingon relations, but that seems to be a common motif (like in "The Visitor"), and it's more of a cold war status than a Borg, Dominion, etc. kind of threat.

Otherwise, we don't have enough information on this timeline to firmly establish events. However, I infer this might be a timeline where the Dominion War was averted (or delayed) and Martok never became chancellor, as that event was sort of like another Narendra and if it didn't happen, a relationship deterioration with the Empire.

Evidence of this is in LD with Ma'ah's opinion that the Federation "earned its toduj" in the Dominion War, suggesting that event swayed his opinion on the Federation and likely others. This coculd be countered by the actions of Dorg and Bargh, showing that the views aren't universal. However, I think the relative level-headedness Bargh's fellow council members suggest that the brother's views are not a mainstream political view in the empire, at least in the 2380s.

(You could probably use STO stuff as counter to my argument, but I think the timeline of that game is motivated by a desire for a plot amenable to gameplay. I'm primarily going with alpha canon.)

As I said before, we can be certain that the "All Good Things" timeline was averted by Picard being aware of it, and that all timelines after are not that timeline.

"The Visitor"

spoilerThe fact that the uniform still pops up in this different timeline suggests that it's rather pervasive and takes a lot of temporal interference to get rid of it. Of note is the fact that it appears in 2422, 20-30 years later than either "All Good Things" or "Endgame", which might suggest this uniform becomes the 24th/25th century equivalent of the monster maroons.

Notably, Commander Nog appears with a TNG uniform and DS9 combadge... in 2389. This suggests that this timeline at least skipped First Contact, early 2380s, and mid-to-late 2380s uniforms, opting to keep the TNG uniform in for decades. This is kind of weird considering "Endgame", which I'll reconcile later. Anyhow, perhaps uniform designers had been toying with something like the prime early 2380s design; due to its longer time for development, when it was finally rolled out much later than prime, it manifested differently from its closest prime counterpart.

I think we can infer once again that the Dominion War was averted. For one, there's the reasons I provided above. I also think DS9 would sort of be sacred ground for the Klingons and it would feel almost wrong to them to take it outright if the Dominion War had happened like prime. The suggestion is further made by the fact that the Federation withdrew from DS9 in 2374, which would have been during the Dominion War in the prime timeline; this never would have happened with the wartime Alpha Quadrant alliance.

Additionally, we can tell the war never happened like prime because the Defiant was never destroyed - we can tell because they needed the ship to be basically the same to replicate the accident, and it was, judging by Jadzia's nostalgic reaction in the episode. If it were the second Defiant, there would have been differences as noted in DS9's "The Dogs of War".

Thus, basing on the first two timelines, it would seem like this uniform tends to arise when there are few mysterious threats, only regular ones.

"Endgame"

spoiler"Endgame" is unique in that it is the only timeline where the uniform appears and the Dominion War did happen, based on the chronology. What makes it weird is that this timeline did have the First Contact uniforms (for the Alpha quadrant personnel, not the Voyager crew, of course), meaning a possibly different design lineage for the future uniforms here.

To reconcile, it might be possible that in this timeline, the First Contact uniform roughly replaced what would have been the expanded life span of the TNG uniform (with error bars of a few years or so due to butterfly effect) instead of being slowly phased out in the early 2380s. Once again, the uniform concepts for what would have been the prime early 2380s uniforms were festering in the designers' heads as early as the mid-to-late 2370s and went through a similar development cycle to "The Visitor"'s timeline.

The state of Klingon relations in this episode is further evidence pointing to the role of the Dominion War in Federation-Klingon relations - B'Elanna's role and influence as a Klingon liason (based on Janeway's request) as well as Janeway's initially relatively easy dealings with Korath suggest relations are in a good state in this timeline with the Dominion War.

Despite the Dominion War happening, this timeline seems like it's also somewhat peaceful (only based on vibes, not canon analysis), considering that everyone on Voyager is either still in touch or dead - if this was one of those Picard-y timelines, at least would be a moody vigilante ex-Starfleet officer in some far off corner of the quadrant where no one can contact them.

I'd also say the anti-Borg/acquired Borg technology in this timeline might give an explanation for why the other timelines are so peaceful: the more organic technological development improved Fed security in all of them.

The fact that this uniform never appears again after this timeline suggests the early return of Voyager was the final straw for this uniform. We can't pinpoint exactly what happened, but I can think of a few different scenarios. The most likely one is something about Voyager's early return triggered a shorter design cycle of the future uniforms, leading instead to the early 2380s uniforms. Perhaps the early introduction of Borg defense tech to the prime timeline through Voyager's return caused a sudden leap followed by stagnation that either weakened Starfleet defenses in the long term, or Starfleet just wasn't ready to handle this stuff in 2378. Alternatively, maybe some key designers of that uniform got butterflied into a shuttle accident, or the timeline got so depressing that they decided to pump out DS9-looking uniforms instead.

Official Teaser Trailer | Star Trek: Strange New Worlds - Season 3 in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I agree he’s not the best Captain Kirk, but I did enjoy his performance in the time travel episode (might have just been the writing and La’an performance like you said, though).

Now what we need is more George Samuel leaving crumbs and annoying Spock energy. I mean, the dude’s only got 8 years or so live… Give our boy some screen time!

Official Teaser Trailer | Star Trek: Strange New Worlds - Season 3 in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Part of me is like, “Seriously! Mire multiverse stuff! Can we take a break, please?”, while the other half of me is like, “If it’s as good as LD or PRO multiverse stuff, I’ll take it!”

I am a bit worried about the fourth wall breaking stuff, but I wonder if they’re doing a Benny Russell “dreamer and the dream”-type thing, which might be fun.

The Clue episode looks fun. The trailer makes it look like this season is 75% quasi-holodeck episodes, which would be quite funny but is probably not the cases.

Official Teaser Trailer | Star Trek: Strange New Worlds - Season 3 in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Star Trek: The Search for Hemmer.

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They Might Be Giants - Why Did You Grow a Beard - Star Trek: Lower Decks Season 5 Fan Music Video (www.youtube.com)
 

cross-posted from: https://startrek.website/post/21256834

I just threw this together. I felt it was a very relevant song, though I also could have put Riker clips to it and had it work just as well.

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They Might Be Giants - Why Did You Grow a Beard - Star Trek: Lower Decks Season 5 Fan Music Video (www.youtube.com)
 

I just threw this together. I felt it was a very relevant song, though I also could have put Riker clips to it and had it work just as well.

[High pitched Boimler scream] in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

"You will never attain the 24th level of awareness."

[High pitched Boimler scream] in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I agree with you. Thinking on it, I wonder if that's only a season 1 premise and they'll eventually get beyond that.

Now what would make it really interesting (but they probably won't do) is if this comedy had a backdrop of a weakened postwar Dominion a.k.a this resort planet is in the Gamma Quadrant. It would be very interesting to use it to explore the new power structures that develop in the quadrant since the weakened power of the Founders. You could also showcase how Alpha quadrant polities interact with Dominion worlds (kind of like what we saw with the Karemma in LD "Hear All, Trust Nothing") - we have an episode with Federation diplomats at the resort negotiating a trade deal, for instance (this could even be our excuse to bring in an LD character or two).

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Honestly, I haven’t watched Severance, but I couldn’t not do this. (startrek.website)
submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
7 comments fedilink
 

I have a feeling “Severance” has a different connotation with Klingons.

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Honestly, I haven’t watched Severance, but I couldn’t not do this. (startrek.website)
submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
6 comments fedilink
 

I have a feeling “Severance” has a different connotation with Klingons.

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My Attempt at Jellico circa 2381 (startrek.website)
 

I was especially trying to imitate Prodigy's styling of him.

I don't know that it looks like Jellico, but it does look like an experienced officer circa 2381.

The stardates are just there to fill in the document - I got them from event years on Memory Beta and then just put a random date into the stardate calculator.

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Has Anyone Else Noticed Jellico's Face Constantly Changes in Prodigy? (startrek.website)
 

I was looking at references of both TNG and Prodigy Jellico to try to make an LD-style Jellico, when I found how they styled his face varied a lot between episodes - I count about 4 significant variants.

For reference, here is TNG Jellico:

Jellico as he appeared in Star Trek: The Next Generation

This was his first Prodigy appearance in S1 E15 Masquerade:

Jellico as he appeared in S1 E15

Definitely a bit yikes, but I also slightly dig the "old man who will bite your hand off if you get within one mile of him" look.

They totally changed his face for his second appearance 4 episodes later, in S1 E19 Supernova Pt 1:

Jellico as he appeared in S1 E19

I like this look - it feels very Clone Wars. However, I can see why they might have gotten right of it - it makes it difficult for the face to show anything but aggression.

They dialed back the clone wars for his next appearance in S2 E5 Observer's Paradox:

Jellico as he appeared in S2 E5

I think it was also largely the same in S2 E9 The Devourer of All Things Pt. 1:

Jellico as he appeared in S2 E5

They might have enlarged the eyes a bit, but I think the other differences are mostly because of perspective differences and facial expressions.

The final, and longest-lived Jellico variant first appears in S2 E14 Cracked Mirror:

Jellico as he appeared in S2 E14

This model leans on the more realistic side. This one is probably the most recognizable as Jellico from TNG. It also allows much more expressiveness (not just an aggressive scowl), as seen in these images from E15, E16 (It looks like a different variant, but if you go a bit before, it's actually the same one), and E20:

Jellico as he appeared in S2 E15

Jellico as he appeared in S2 E16

Jellico as he appeared in S2 E20

Overall, I think my favorite Jellico is probably S1 E19, but I can see why they had to switch.

Still, I wonder why it took so long for them to make up their mind on the face and why they didn't get it right the first time.

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Gul Donal Wants a Statue (startrek.website)
 

cross-posted from: https://startrek.website/post/19850319

If life's going to be this crappy, at least cast Jeffrey Combs as Elon Musk, Mr. Universe.

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Gul Donal Wants a Statue (startrek.website)
 

If life's going to be this crappy, at least cast Jeffrey Combs as Elon Musk, Mr. Universe.

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Don't Worry, guys! I've Gone Trek in a They Might Be Giants board as well! (startrek.website)
 

cross-posted from: https://startrek.website/post/19819038

I'm ParticleMan. This is the #concert-chat channel on the tmbw (This Might Be a Wiki, the main fan wiki for They Might Be Giants) Discord.

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Don't Worry, guys! I've Gone Trek in a They Might Be Giants board as well! (startrek.website)
 

I'm ParticleMan. This is the #concert-chat channel on the tmbw (This Might Be a Wiki, the main fan wiki for They Might Be Giants) Discord.

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Las Vegas, Nevada in the 24th Century? (startrek.website)
 

What is Las Vegas, Nevada like in the 24th century?

It seems to be implied that Vegas still exists (not just some legendary destination of the past like Vics) and is still associated with gambling - Chakotay's hallucination of Tom Paris in VOY:"The Fight" mentions Vegas along with Mars and Orion III when mentioning the odds in a fight.

I think the fact that this is a hallucination of Tom in Chakotay's mind, combined with the fact that it was mentioned with contemporarily active places, heavily suggests that Vegas is alive and still has some form of active gambling.

However, I would imagine that a lot would still change for Vegas. Modern-day Vegas has Nellis AFB in it and Creech nearby, so it would have probably been a major target during World War III and as a result been heavily damaged. For urban planning, this probably gave a largely blank slate during redevelopment, so in many ways, Earth probably ended up becoming a typical 24th century city or town with vastly improved public transportation.

It's also important to consider the potential impact of drought - has Vegas significantly downscaled as a result of its water issues, or did they get that sorted out in time and Vegas is still a moderately large Earth city in the 24th century?

Also, what does gambling look like in a post-scarcity society? What are the laws on the books for United Earth? I'm imagining people mostly do it for the thrill, like how Jadzia plays Tongo.

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