Tinidril

I just said that I have the same problems with SA that I do with Israel. If you don't want to rehash things, you have a weird way of showing it. The fact that there are reasons why one impacted the election and the other didn't, and the fact that Israel was intentionally manipulating our election were undiscussed, but don't contradict what I was saying.

Public support for Israel in Gaza had dropped to around 60% long before the election, despite both parties and the media constantly glazing Netanyahu. Imagine how low it would have dropped if Democrats had a backbone and actually acted like leaders. That was the path to overcome Netanyahu's interference - not to mention avoiding participation in a genocide.

When leaders lead, people follow. Republicans don't twist their positions into pretzels looking for a path to appeal to 51% of the electorate. They tell people what to believe, and they do it with conviction. Most of the population wants that, even if they won't admit it. That's why Democrats are so universally dispised, even by their voters.

You know this isn't Reddit, right? You and your fellow bots can downvote me all you want. I won't miss the karma.

So, I'm supposed to believe that you have no idea how "on the ballot" is regularly used in politics to refer to something that is not literally written there? Please. There is no way you are that obtuse.

As for Saudi Arabia, sure. It's not what we were discussing, but all the problems I have with Israel can easily apply in some form to Saudi Arabia, with one exception. Support for SA was not polling in a way that was a concern for the election - which is the topic we were discussing. (Well, what everyone else was discussing. I don't know what the hell you are doing.)

Yeah, that's what I thought.

If you didn't know Netanyahu was on the ballot then you need to get your head out of your ass. Regardless, Biden shipped the weapons, participated in the coverup, and started the crackdown on free speech on college campuses. If someone gets killed in the commission of a crime, we charge everyone involved with that murder - even if they only supplied the weapons.

It's better than that. The techno he was listening to was his ex, Grimes. Issues?

Not even then, but it's not like that's apt to happen anyways.

Spreading the blame for losing between American voters and Democratic politicians somehow equates Democrats and Republicans? Connect the dots for me.

Maybe explain it to me. Explain how politicians doing things they know will hurt their chances don't share responsibility when they lose to a fascist.

American voters get a lot of shit, and most of it is deserved, but they aren't all that different from people everywhere. If liberalism accurately captures anything it's that society is a system of inputs and outputs. Liberals get that there is no conflict between crime being a matter of individual choices and a result of societal factors. Elections are the same thing.

Yes, I do blame disengaged and uneducated voters for the state we are in, but that doesn't absolve the politicians (Republicans and Democrats in different ways and to different measures) for the outcome we are living through.