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[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah. I mean I do feel like it's good if there is some vigorous pushback against the nonsense. I am honestly heartened and encouraged by how the Lemmy immune system against bad-faith bullshit seems to be getting stronger since last year. I was honestly really unhappy about how these narratives seemed to dominate when I first joined, it has been getting better.

Like a few days ago, there was a "Nazi tattoo" story, and all the first 1-2 dozen comments were applying some kind of skepticism to it or asking questions. The bullshit brigade arrived soon after that, and the comments section immediately devolved into something about like what we're seeing surrounding us now, but I definitely think political Lemmy at this point has a certain level of bullshit-meter activated.

(I feel like seeing the exact same tide of people swearing that there wasn't much difference between Trump and Kamala, and they were going to save Palestine by refusing to vote for Democrats, and then the bloody aftermath we're living through now, might have had a certain amount to do with it honestly. Of course, I am sure it will go through its next evolution at some point, I feel like just deliberately disrupting the comments with hostility and angry noise may start to take over more and more soon if bullshit keeps not working, but that's just one random guess.)

I mean, yeah, I agree with pretty much all of that. And it's obviously a little bit of a success for the bullshit brigade that we're even talking about this question instead of the question "Is Graham Platner a Nazi?" to which the answer is resoundingly no.

I am honestly pretty surprised by how vigorously they are active in this comments thread. I kind of knew they felt strongly about it... it's also notable to me how the people swearing that it's a Nazi symbol and he's a Nazi for wearing it, are not arguing with the people swearing that it's not a Nazi symbol and it's all a Democratic plot to paint him as a Nazi but it's all lies. They're arguing, but not with each other.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Check out the exchange where I ask for details of the "confirmation," it's fucking wild lol

"He OBVIOUSLY knew, for fuck's sake he was commenting under this picture showing the exact same symbol on the SS uniforms!" I'm only very slightly exaggerating. Try to find the symbol, it actually is there...

He also uses the seldom seen turbo fallacy "little did you know that by responding to my argument you have SAID EXACTLY WHAT I SAID YOU'D SAY AND SO I WIN!" It's so fuckin' bizarre... in fairness I knew these dudes would be here as soon as I saw the post topic and knew we'd be talking about some bullshit, but honestly I am surprised by the nature and ferocity of it.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You need to talk to the people who are yelling about how this is clearly confirmation that Platner is a Nazi, and tell them they're spreading Schumer talking points.

(To be clear: I'm not saying Schumer and co wouldn't do something like this if they were clever and well-connected-in-media enough. I'm just saying that I see very little indication that they are either of those things, which is why they keep fucking up elections.)

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 6 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Okay, I found one comment:

When I was in Ramadi in ‘06 as a Marine grunt, the SEAL platoon we worked closely with for the deployment all had the Punisher skull spray painted on their armor carriers.

There’s no question it’s far more prevalent on all the dumbass Grunt Style and Nine Line shirts these days, but the teams definitely adopted it for a while.

That, in your mind, is confirmation that he knew his own tattoo was an SS tattoo?

I do see the context. I see people talking about skulls and crossbones on a lot of different military decorations and how it's not necessarily an indication of something bad even though the Nazis also had skulls and crossbones, because it's just badass stuff that military people like to put on their gear for obvious reasons.

I mean, if he had scrolled up to where people were talking about 'totenkopf' up in a different place, and replied to that saying "oh btw I have one of those on my chest, I zoomed in to this picture and verified that the skull and crossbones on the right lapel of the guy on the left is the same as my tattoo," it would mean that he was aware that his own tattoo was a totenkopf which is an SS symbol. That still wouldn't mean he was a Nazi (or counterbalance the abundance of not-Nazi views he expressed during this big window we have to his private communication), but it would at least be backing for this somewhat different thing which you are now trying to claim.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 8 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

What am I looking at here? Which user is Platner and when did he say it was a Nazi tattoo?

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 23 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Cuomo is literally a sex abuser and establishment democrats can’t get enough of him.

It's not that they like Cuomo. It's that they hate Mamdani because he represents an actual threat to the wealth of their friends. They just have to cling to Cuomo because he's the only way they can fight Mamdani; stumping for the Republican instead will get them in trouble and give the game away.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 8 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

Confirmed he understood that it was an SS tattoo 5 years ago (in the reddit posts that jacobin dot com clearly read)

Which post?

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 0 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

You think Schumer is clever enough to spread this kind of narrative? I think he thinks that giving Mills a ringing endorsement and a few million dollars is pretty much all he needs to do, job done, on to the next wild success in Washington!

See my comment elsewhere about "the bad people." I don't think singling out the Democrats as the source of this is particularly accurate. I think the people who corrupt American politics and are actually skillful at this kind of thing don't much care whether it is establishment Democrats or Republicans who get elected, because they do fine either way, but they hate progressives and will try hard to defeat them when they come along. In general, I see no particular reason to think it is Democrats who are spreading this narrative. I don't think the people who are actually capable at this kind of fake news are foolish enough to get tangled up in partisanship in that way.

I mean, it's from "the bad people." There are plenty of "the bad people" in both the Republican and Democratic party, and also a lot of them outside of the US trying to influence the US election at this point. They are, broadly speaking, all in allegiance with each other. They periodically switch parties (from Dem -> Repub) when things get too unbearable on one side of the aisle, they periodically impersonate progressives to get elected (Sinema). Kicking them out of Washington is one of the most critical reforms that must be undertaken even if we manage to survive the present crisis. Unfortunately, it's not that easy.

To me, the fact that they are swinging so hard against Platner is the strongest indication I have seen so far that he is the real deal.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social -4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I am greatly enjoying in real time the mass migration of a certain population of Lemmy commentators from:

How DARE this evil Nazi man have this Nazi tattoo! Well I for one, will never vote for him.

To, three days later:

How DARE the establishment Democrats try to smear this honorable progressive by pretending he has a Nazi tattoo! Well I for one, will never vote for them.

(Yes, I know, different elements of the same population can have contrasting views. I get it. At the same time... where were all you guys who are now convinced this is is all a Democratic hit job, three days ago when we were trying to defend this good man from this particular Democratic hit job? Thought you cared about truth in politics.)

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

In fairness, it is very precisely and exactly the Nazi rendering of the death's head from the SS uniforms. I don't think it's a "Nazi tattoo" any more than some Hindu temples with backwards swastikas on them are now retroactively covered in "Nazi symbols." I completely believe his explanation, among other reasons because some of his private communication has been exposed and literally 0% of it is Nazi and a lot of it is violently anti-Nazi. But their argument that it's a Nazi symbol is technically accurate, I think.

 
 
 

The Penguin Random House cover for Carl Hiaasen's 'Fever Beach.'

Carl Hiaasen's 'Fever Beach' (permalink)

Every Carl Hiaasen novel is a cause for celebration, but Fever Beach, his latest, makes it abundantly clear that this moment, this moment of Florida Man violent white nationalist grifting, is the moment that Hiaasen has been training for his whole life:

https://carlhiaasen.com/books/fever-beach/

Hiaasen is a crime novelist who got his start as a newspaper writer, writing columns about Florida's, ah, unique politics – and sublime, emperilled wilderness – for the Miami Herald. That beat, combined with enormous humor and literary talent, produced a writer who perfectly hybridizes Dave Barry's lovable absurdism with the hard-boiled pastoralism of the Travis McGee novels (Hiaasen wrote the introductions for a 1990s reissue of all of John D McDonald's McGee books).

Hiaasen's method is diabolical and hilarious: each volume introduces a bewildering cast of odd, crooked, charming, and/or loathsome Floridians drawn from his long experience chronicling the state and its misadventures. Every one of these people is engaged in some form of skulduggery, even the heroes, who are every bit as lawless and wild as their adversaries, though Hiaasen's protagonists are always smarter and more competent than his villains. The plots and schemes play out like an intricate clock that has been much-elaborated by a mad clockmaker with an affinity for eccentric gears, all set against the background of Florida, a glorious and beautiful place being fed into a woodchipper powered by unchecked greed and depravity.

After 20-some volumes in this vein (including Bad Monkey, lately adapted for Apple TV), something far weirder than anything Hiaasen ever dreamed up came to pass: Donald Trump, the most Florida Man ever, was elected president. If you asked an LLM to write a Hiaasen novel, you might get Trump: a hacky, unimaginative version of the wealthy, callous, scheming grifters of the Hiaasenverse. Back in 2020, Hiaasen wrote Trump into Squeeze Me, a tremendous and madcap addition to his canon:

https://pluralistic.net/2020/10/05/florida-man/#disappearing-act

Fever Beach is the first Hiaasen novel since Squeeze Me, and boy, does Hiaasen ever have MAGA's number.

The book revolves around a classic Hiaasen bumbler, Dale Figgo, an incompetent white nationalist who was kicked out of the Proud Boys after the Jan 6 insurrection, when he mistook a statue of a revered Confederate general for Ulysses S Grant (it was the beard) and released a video of himself smearing shit all over it. Cast out from the brotherhood of violent racists, Figgo founds his own white nationalist militia: the Strokers for Liberty, which differentiates itself from the Proud Boys by encouraging (rather than forbidding) frequent masturbation. Figgo takes his inspiration from his day-job, where he packs and ships disembodied torso sex-dolls for an adult e-commerce site, and he entices new Strokers by offering them free limbless fuck-dolls (stolen from work) as a signing bonus.

Figgo lives in a house bought for him by his long-suffering – and seriously boxing gym-addicted – mother, who despairs of his virulent racism. Her one source of comfort is Figgo's tenant, Viva Morales, a smart granting officer in the family office of the Minks (an ultra-wealthy Florida oligarch couple) who does not tolerate any of Figgo's bullshit and also pays her rent like clockwork.

Viva is the other fulcrum of the tale: her employers, the elderly couple behind the Mink Foundation, are secret white nationalist bankrollers who use their charity to funnel money to militia groups, including Strokers For Liberty. The conduit between the Minks and the Strokers is Congressman Clure Boyette, a MAGA Republican failson of an ultra-powerful Florida lobbyist, who (unbeknownst to his father) has raised $2m for the Strokers to finance a "Stop the Steal pollwatching" operation designed to terrorize voters who favor his opponent.

As a front for this dark money op, Boyette has founded the "Wee Hammers," a charity that pulls prepubescent children out of school and puts them to work with heavy power tools to construct houses in a child-labor-centric MAGA version of Habitat for Humanity. This goes about as well as you might expect.

Into this maelstrom, Viva Morales draws Twilly Spree, a recurring character first introduced in 2000's Sick Puppy as a successor to Skink, one of Hiaasen's best heroes. Twilly is a millionaire ecoterrorist who uses his family's obscene wealth – secured through investments in planet-raping extraction – to fund his arson, bombings, and general fuckery directed against Florida's most flagrant despoilers (it helps that Twilly has been psychologically gifted with the literal inability to feel fear). Twilly and Viva become a couple, and Twilly does what Twilly does – wreaking hilarious, violent and spectacular chaos upon the book's many characters.

There are so many characters – I've barely scratched the surface here. There's Galaxy, a dominatrix who loses patience with her long-term client, the MAGA Congressman Clure Boyette, after he stiffs her on a payment because he was too busy tweeting about an alleged plan by woke billiard manufacturers to replace the nation's black 8-balls with Pride-themed rainbow versions. There's Clure Boyette's soon-to-be-ex-wife, who must not, on any account, be shown the photos Galaxy took of Clure in a fur dog-collar and leash defecating on the floor of a luxury hotel suite. There's Jonas Onus, the number two man in the Strokers For Liberty, who terrorizes all and sundry by bringing them into contact with Himmler, his 120lb pitbull mix. There's Noel Kristianson, whom Dale Figgo runs over and nearly kills during an altercation over Figgo's practice of stuffing incoherent antisemitic rants into ziplock bags weighted with beach-sand and tossing them onto the driveways of unsuspecting Floridians. There's a constellation of minor characters and spear-carriers, including Key West drag queen martial artists and assorted discount-store Nazis, long-suffering charter bus drivers and a hit man who cannot abide racial prejudice.

The resulting story has more twists and turns than an invasive Burmese python, that apex predator of the gate-guarded McMansion development. It's screamingly funny, devilishly inventive, and deeply, profoundly satisfying. With Fever Beach, Hiaasen makes a compelling case for Florida as the perfect microcosm of the terrifying state of America, and an even more compelling case for his position as its supreme storyteller.

You do not need to have read any of Hiaasen's other novels to love this one. But I'm pretty sure that if you start with this one, you're going to want to dig into the dozens of other Hiaasen books, and you will not be disappointed if you do.

 

OpenAI Catches Up to AI Market Reality: People Are Horny

OpenAI CEO Sam Altman appeared on Cleo Abram's podcast in August where he said the company was “tempted” to add sexual content in the past, but resisted, saying that a “sex bot avatar” in ChatGPT would be a move to “juice growth.” In light of his announcement last week that ChatGPT would soon offer erotica, revisiting that conversation is revealing.

It’s not clear yet what the specific offerings will be, or whether it’ll be an avatar like Grok’s horny waifu. But OpenAI is following a trend we’ve known about for years: There are endless theorized applications of AI, but in the real world many people want to use LLMs for sexual gratification, and it’s up for the market to keep up. In 2023, a16z published an analysis of the generative AI market, which amounted to one glaringly obvious finding: people use AI as part of their sex lives. As Emanuel wrote at the time in his analysis of the analysis: “Even if we put ethical questions aside, it is absurd that a tech industry kingmaker like a16z can look at this data, write a blog titled ‘How Are Consumers Using Generative AI?’ and not come to the obvious conclusion that people are using it to jerk off. If you are actually interested in the generative AI boom and you are not identifying porn as a core use for the technology, you are either not paying attention or intentionally pretending it’s not happening.”

Altman even hinting at introducing erotic roleplay as a feature is huge, because it’s a signal that he’s no longer pretending. People have been fucking the chatbot for a long time in an unofficial capacity, and have recently started hitting guardrails that stop them from doing so. People use Anthropic’s Claude, Google’s Gemini, Elon Musk’s Grok, and self-rolled large language models to roleplay erotic scenarios whether the terms of use for those platforms permit it or not, DIYing AI boyfriends out of platforms that otherwise forbid it. And there are specialized erotic chatbot platforms and AI dating simulators, but what OpenAI does—as the owner of the biggest share of the chatbot market—the rest follow.

Already we see other AI companies stroking their chins about it. Following Altman’s announcement, Amanda Askell, who works on the philosophical issues that arise with Anthropic’s alignment, posted: “It's unfortunate that people often conflate AI erotica and AI romantic relationships, given that one of them is clearly more concerning than the other. Of the two, I'm more worried about romantic relationships. Mostly because it seems like it would make users pretty vulnerable to the AI company in many ways. It seems like a hard area to navigate responsibly.” And the highly influential anti-porn crowd is paying attention, too: the National Center on Sexual Exploitation put out a statement following Altman’s post declaring that actually, no one should be allowed to do erotic roleplay with chatbots, not even adults. (Ron DeHaas, co-founder of Christian porn surveillance company Covenant Eyes, resigned from the NCOSE board earlier this month after his 38-year-old adult stepson was charged with felony child sexual abuse.)

In the August interview, Abram sets up a question for Altman by noting that there’s a difference between “winning the race” and “building the AI future that would be best for the most people,” noting that it must be easier to focus on winning. She asks Altman for an example of a decision he’s had to make that would be best for the world but not best for winning.

Altman responded that he’s proud of the impression users have that ChatGPT is “trying to help you,” and says a bunch of other stuff that’s not really answering the question, about alignment with users and so on. But then he started to say something actually interesting: “There's a lot of things we could do that would like, grow faster, that would get more time in ChatGPT, that we don't do because we know that like, our long-term incentive is to stay as aligned with our users as possible. But there's a lot of short-term stuff we could do that would really juice growth or revenue or whatever, and be very misaligned with that long-term goal,” Altman said. “And I'm proud of the company and how little we get distracted by that. But sometimes we do get tempted.”

“Are there specific examples that come to mind?” Abram asked. “Any decisions that you've made?”

After a full five-second pause to think, Altman said, “Well, we haven't put a sex bot avatar in ChatGPT yet.”

“That does seem like it would get time spent,” Abram replied. “Apparently, it does.” Altman said. They have a giggle about it and move on.

Two months later, Altman was surprised that the erotica announcement blew up. “Without being paternalistic we will attempt to help users achieve their long-term goals,” he wrote. “But we are not the elected moral police of the world. In the same way that society differentiates other appropriate boundaries (R-rated movies, for example) we want to do a similar thing here.”

This announcement, aside from being a blatant hail mary cash grab for a company that’s bleeding funds because it’s already too popular, has inspired even more “bubble’s popping” speculation, something boosters and doomers alike have been saying (or rooting for) for months now. Once lauded as a productivity godsend, AI has mostly proven to be a hindrance to workers. It’s interesting that OpenAI’s embrace of erotica would cause that reaction, and not, say, the fact that AI is flooding and burdening libraries, eating Wikipedia, and incinerating the planet. It’s also interesting that OpenAI, which takes user conversations as training data—along with all of the writing and information available on the internet—feels it’s finally gobbled enough training data from humans to be able to stoop so low, as Altman’s attitude insinuates, to let users be horny. That training data includes authors of romance novels and NSFW fanfic but also sex workers who’ve spent the last 10 years posting endlessly to social media platforms like Twitter (pre-X, when Elon Musk cut off OpenAI’s access) and Reddit, only to have their posts scraped into the training maw.

Altman believes “sex bots” are not in service of the theoretical future that would “benefit the most people,” and that it’s a fast-track to juicing revenue, something the company badly needs. People have always used technology for horny ends, and OpenAI might be among the last to realize that—or the first of the AI giants to actually admit it.


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