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It's problematic at least. The Communist party is also banned in Germany.

I'm definitely not saying Le Pen is innocent.

Navalny was found guilty of multiple crimes. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/04/russian-court-extends-alexei-navalny-sentence-in-penal-colony

Being charged a criminal is subject to the court system and if that ever gets corrupted, democracy is over.

Many people here say that it's not the same in France; that the French court system has no evidence of corruption. I agree. I prefer to have laws in place before they are needed, rather than too late.

I disagree. The angle of the sun is not a human invention. Trying to invent something from scratch based on that, I would definitely mark one time as "the darkest" and another "the lightest".

I agree that hours, and therefore date lines and time zones are completely arbitrary though.

If we didn't have hours we'd still need a way to group times by geographic or political regions; my example above still needs to handle the "lightest where?" question.

I think my conclusion is that organizing people and societies is arbitrary by nature.

It would be neater though to try to make midnight and mid day the basis for which we measure time. Stepping off of that makes it even more arbitrary.

We're competing with "it's already installed" though, not installing Windows from scratch.

Installing any OS is a huge step up for most people.

The real change comes when manufacturers start giving the choice of pre-installed OS. Some already do but they are pretty niche (e.g. Steam Deck).

It's like a super power really. What if you could just say any nasty shit and people would applaud you for it.

Finally someone who actually wants a debate.

I agree that it's not a problem until it is a problem. I think we differ in the way we are vigilant about defending the core of democracy.

Open elections, free speech and free press are very important to defend, even if you happen to dislike the person in question. I'd rather defend free speech of a person I hate than slowly carving away at it, one "victory" at a time. If one person doesn't have free speech, there is no free speech left.

I see it the same with elections. If anyone can be barred from running in an election, the election isn't open anymore.

I don't see it as skeptical versus cynical. Maybe in your eyes. What I've seen lately though is that democracy can be over very quickly, or in a way that no one can stop, even if you can see the signs. Look at USA right now, it's been going down hill for a while now but most people are realizing too late to do anything.

I'm not here to discuss France or their politics because I know nothing about it, nor about Le Pen. People seem to go very much into "it's fine for now in France".

It's fine until it isn't.

Very mature

But wouldn't it be neat if midnight was att 00:00 and mid day was 12:00?

Also, you don't get more daylight by moving the clock. You get more clock.

Yes, she's a horrible person. I still think she should be in prison and be allowed to contest in elections. I would never bote for her but that's a separate topic.

Who the hell votes for a convicted felon?

It's not whataboutism if it's on the same topic. I just raised a very real example where this is problematic.

In the near future, I bet we will see the same in America.

And what in this is false equivalency? We're talking about banning criminals from elections, right?

No one in this thread is saying she shouldn't be punished for her crimes.

Fight the arguments instead if they are so lame.