CoffeeSoldier

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Ah, I think that's a different thing entirely perhaps then.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Me too (ok, no, it was my second cup)! Really surprised about that. The sock allows for a more oily brew, I really thought it would let those elements through.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Unfamiliar. Can you provide a link?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Yeah the timing on that was kind weird in a neat way.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

wow - Just posted about coffee socks, and I had always thought from the rich oily nature of the coffee that comes from these, that the diterpene levels were high. This is the first data I've seen that argues otherwise and I think it's great news for one of my favorite brewing techniques!

 

Just wanted to share a little delight that might breathe a little excitement back into your dripper if you haven't tried it before.

I don't recommend it on the daily (the cleanup can get tedious and the cafestol / kahweol probably would get to be a bit much), but for an occasional weekend treat I like to put a #4 Coffee Sock into my Moccamaster (or dripper of your preference). You may need to adjust your grind size just a little bit coarser, and you'll wet and squeeze excess water out of the sock beforehand. Otherwise, ratios, process, etc. should be about the same. Expect a little richer, sweeter cup with more body.

Cleanup: If you are new to reusable cloth filters or have given up in the past due to issues with cleanup, please consider the following which is derived from trying many different techniques - all of which have been disappointing save this. If possible leave the grounds to cool and dry a bit after brewing (1-2h). Invert and empty grounds, then give the sock a good rinse out. Squeeze out excess water, fold it up, place in a ziplock and minimize air while sealing. Hash-mark each use with a sharpie onto the ziplock and put directly into the freezer. I've tried half a dozen non freezer based storage methods and they have all led to weird, presumably mold-based flavors sadly introduced into my brews. It's surprising to me the coffee sock manufacturers do not recommend freezing (note: freeze/ thawing may wear down the fiber structure of your filter faster, but c'est la vie). After 10 or so brews or if you are getting any unexpected bitter notes, it's time to boil some Cafiza (or urnex, or whatever you prefer) and let your sock soak in that for 10 minutes before giving it a thorough rinse-out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I have not. I guess the fact that putting 60g in all at once produced fractionaly less fines argues that slow feeding might have diminishing returns.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Agree. In general you have more room for finer grinding with lighter roasts, but I think that's an over simplification. Personally I just tweak the grind size and / or try a different brewing method if I'm chasing the right taste for a particular bean. Could consider adding this as an option to try too, but usually I run out of beans before I run out of ideas for things to tweak on each brew already. With a few different beans I tried (all South American or Ethiopian) , I didn't get any real wow results with this though. There are some nice apps for wines where you can take a photo of the bottle and then pull up price checks, tasting notes, and reviews. I've always thought this would be cool to do with coffees with the added benefit of sharing bean specific brewing notes.

 

I purchased this primarily for calibration purposes. I knew I wanted my grinders in the 500-700 micron range for pour over and this was not as expensive as the more well known Kruve sifter. The included 500um and 800um filters seemed perfect. In addition to helping me to calibrate across grinders, I was curious to see what my fines and boulder amounts looked like. In short, for $30 I was able to accomplish this fairly well. I had tried eye-balling my grind sizes (there are laser cut guides you can use, but with a high-res printer you can also just download pdfs and print these guides for free which is what I did) before, and found it really difficult to tell if something was 400um or 700um even. Immediately after filtering the boulders and fines with this thing it was so much more obvious what my grind sizes actually were. The irregularity of the raw grinder output really threw me off before this, even though, as you’ll see below, the actual noise in the mix was relatively low. After faffing around as a calibration tool was done (didn’t really take long), I threw it in the dishwasher (nice) and later decided to play with it to see if it had any longer-term value.
The next thing I did was to see how much fines a couple of my grinders were producing on typical pour-over grinds. With a 20g bean load in the ode gen 2, I had a surprising 2g of fines (10% by mass, much higher by particle number). My Commadante did better with about 1.5g per 20g. I typically only use the ode for bigger grind volumes though, and interestingly when I tried 60g in it and ran that through the Shelbru, I only came up with about 3.5g of fines, so it seems the fines production does not ramp linearlly. Now for the big question: Is there any value in the effort of sifting for brew-taste? Let’s start with an easy answer – at least with my equipment, for bigger brews (60g grinds), both academically due to the lower fines ratio produced, and emperically from brewing with it a few times, no way – it’s just not a noticeable difference as compared to brewing without sifting. From here, read with skepticism if you will as I didn’t do any proper blind taste testing. For single cup brews I had done enough sifting at this point that at least for the beans I was using, I was getting a pretty consistent 2g loss with the sifter, so I simiply weighed out 2g more beans at this point. I did feel like I lost a little bit of depth with sifting on the ode gen 2 grinds. I am an avid subscriber to the concept of grinding down to the penultimate grind size of what Hoffman refers to as the “wall of bitter”. I found that sifting let me (or almost forced me, due to the taste profile) grind down a click lower on the ode. This was very theoretically attractive to me as I felt like I had just pushed the wall back, and my cups were turning out nicley, but I’m not so certain I had achieved an obvious level of taste superiority. The effects were, as expected, more subtle on the Commadante, and the Shelbru didn’t really allow me to push the grind-size wall back here. Ultimately, it has not become part of my brewing routine; it’s pretty next level faff, and will take you a good extra minute or so to integrate into your workflow not to mention cleaning (dishwasher is nice, but there is a rubber seal that would eventually wear down a bit) and storage.
I did not try this with lesser grinders, but I will leave you with this thought. If you currently have a mediocre grinder, and are hesitant about the value of investing in a better grinder, or simply have a bit more time than you do money for such an investment currently, I think I would consider giving this a try as something that might genuinely do a decent job of immitating a more consitent grinder at a low cost. If brewing competitvely, I think I might employ this in an effort to really maximize my brew with less boulders and fines, but it’s not a daily driver for me.

~ the coffee soldier φ