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Probably something more dev should do. We are mostly oversea, but i guess a lot here like the way typical japanese games are made.

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[–] Elevator7009@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 week ago

The way I'd think of this is "it wasn't made for you, simply made available to you in case you like it," and that's a perfectly valid way to approach making stuff. If there's a giant overseas audience, why not make them happy and profit at the same time, but if there is not because they hate it, well different audiences like different things and it is no big failure of yours to have an audience you weren't catering to dislike your work.

[–] Turturtley@aussie.zone 13 points 1 week ago

And a masterpiece was made because of it

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 9 points 1 week ago

Damn straight! I love actual diversity! Let different cultures be different!

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Thank you for doing so.

[–] Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"you can't make game for overseas"

I disagree. They definitely can. What they can't is make the game perfect for both sides of the sea at the same time.

Not talking about Nier specifically but there's a lot of Asian stuff that is amazing but is filled with things that I really wish were left out. For example, things like One Piece and its author's constant remarks about wanting to watch women bathe without their consent. It's played as a gag and in Japan it is seen as nothing more than a gag - so there it adds value to the story. In the west it tends to put off people and so here it subtracts value. The author could probably keep western customs in mind while writing the story if he wanted to, but would it have turned out so popular in Japan if every little thing was carefully planed like that? Maybe, maybe not. There's a lot of stuff that might be unacceptable to me, but be a selling point to someone else.

Oda jokes about wanting to watch naked women while answering fan letters. Those very letters from fans sometimes mention the same thing, so it's clearly something that appeals to the average Japanese reader. Take it off and to us it might seem like the story lost nothing of value, but then you also took off the thing that made those fans engage with the author there. Little by little you'd be removing things that made it become popular in the first place - and if it weren't popular there, it probably would never have reached the west for it to matter.

It sucks that such a great story has such annoying "flaws", but at the same time it's great that it does? At least I get to experience everything else about it.

[–] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

It is, without question.

But at the same time, the author frequents LGBTQ spaces and have friends in the community and his portrayal of crossdressers was actually a net positive in Japan, despite all the shit he included with those characters. That's the sort of stuff that I meant.

More recently he had some much better trans representation, but then he fucked up again with a character that at best can be summarized as gender fluid - and folks were fighting over this character's gender for years (with no conclusion).

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago