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Locking as people have reached the point where they're just insulting each other/telling each other to kill themselves.
this post was submitted on 30 Mar 2025
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Are anti-genocide "tankies" really the biggest threat to democracy right now?
Fascists and Nazis are in the white house destroying the US. They are also on the verge of taking over and destroying Europe.
Everyone to the left of fascism needs to unite together to stop the neo-Nazis before it is too late. If the Nazis are allowed to start ww3 then nukes will end us all.
Yeah right now, I don't care about tankies all that much. Are they annoying at times? Fuck yes. Are they a threat to my life? Fuck no.
I don't mind moderating content online, but its fucking weird people are more pressed about Tankies online, spending more time about them than Trump. At least memes can maybe sway someone about the terminally online, it doesn't stop Trump when someone shares a meme.
I guess so, but they seem a bit more focused on liberals than conservatives.
Criticizing Marxists on a community that is federated with the largest Marxist-aligned instances will indeed result in a struggle session.
Not criticising marxists, just tankies.
As we already discussed, if the vast majority of Marxists fit the definition of "tankie" you gave, then it's just a pejorative for Marxists. The Black Panther Party supported and was influenced by the DPRK, if you count that as "glorifying," in your own words, then the Black Panthers were tankies. If you don't, and believe them to have been sufficiently nuanced, then "tankies" practically do not exist on Lemmy.
Alright, forget the word tankie.
People who
- Support modern russia and/or are opposed to Ukraine
- Deny that the Uyghurs were mistreated by china
- Think the DRPK is a nice place to live right now.
That definition doesn't even apply to the people you're critising
I get called tankie from time to time, but 1a. I hate Putin's corrupt fascist oligarchy 1b. I fully support Ukraine!
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The Uyghurs absolutely were mistreated, but it is hard to care about at the moment when the US and Isreal are carrying out an actual genocide. Also, neo-nazis have taken over the US and are illegally abducting minorities.
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I think the DRPK is very problematic, but they seem to be doing well despite the US putting such ridiculously excessive embargos and sanctions on them. Overall they are probably no worse off than capitalist India and they are probably better off than most 3rd world capitalist nations like Iran, Brazil, Haiti, Afghanistan, etc...
I don't know the rest of your political beliefs, but from this you don't seem to be a tankie from this.
Most Marxists do not uncritically support Russia, though opposition to the Nationalists like Azov in Ukraine is something common on the Left, and believe Russia's anti-US stance is beneficial for the Global South (see the string of African liberation movements in the past few years). Most Marxists can agree that the Uyghur people have been placed in re-education camps, but most do not believe they are being systemically murdered en masse like many people report. Most Marxists think the DPRK is doing surprisingly well for a country under extreme embargoes and was subject to more tons of bombs than the pacific front in World War II, not that it would be preferable to live there than in a highly developed country free from those problems.
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What's a tankie, and what's wrong with the .ml instance? I just joined it because I read that it was hosted by the people who created Lemmy, so I figured it'd be the best and/or least likely to go down
Hi there,
lemmy.ml has a slight problem of removing pro-ukraine and anti-china posts. It has a high amount of what are called "tankies". These are communists who believe authoritarian regimes were great. (nothing against communists in general);
Exactly this. Like someone will post an article from RT saying that Ukraine grids up babies for fun. If you ask if RT is really the best source you get a response like “RT cites its sources. If you don’t believe it you can read the sources!!”
If you mention that the sources aren’t reliable or question anything you get sealioned hard.
I would recommend making an account on any instance not ending in .ml or bear.net That way you can have actual conversations without having to wade through the nonsense.
They will also argue terminology instead of addressing the points you raise.
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it's so fucking true
Anytime they pull you into an argument, suddenly 5 more show up to try and overwhelm you. There's no way it isn't a deliberate tactic.
The answer is not to get dragged into convesrations with idiots. We used to call it "not feeding the trolls" and it's something of a lost art.
I had three at once ask me why no one was defending me. I just said i didn't need anyone to brigade for me. They didn't seem to like that answer lol
That was Hexbear's modus operandi when they federated with other instances to "dunk" on people. Seeing as many HB users have .ml accounts to bypass defederation, it's no surprise they keep up that behaviour on .ml. I've seen numerous threads where the vote count suddenly plummets right when a bunch of tankies show up at once to yell at whoever they consider a shitlib. Which is everyone who isn't authoritarian.
That is a tactic they learned from real life tanks. Argue with one tank, more tanks show up.
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That would be the preferable result rather than just getting banned or the comment/post deleted.
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i mean, you guys are constantly making entire threads about how you hate either our moderation rules, or our opinions...
Virtually every ban and removed comment found in the mod log from an .ml community gets a dedicated thread these days.
It has everything to do with how demanding to see the manager/admin/dev doesn't auto-bypass moderation policies. Works on centralized social media where the owners and their employees get flummoxed over potential ad revenue.
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If you make them look bad they delete the thread. It's happened to me twice. I consider it a win, but it is sad that others won't see how wacky they are.
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