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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago (6 children)

What do families do, that only want or need to live in a place or area for like a year or so? Buy a house, pay thousands in closing costs and inspections, lose several thousand to realtors, and then have to go through the trouble of trying to sell the place a year later?

We very much need landlords. What's screwing everything up is corpos doing it as a business or individuals with like 20 homes instead of one or two. Renting a house is a viable need for some people and it would actually suck if it was an option that didn't exist at all.

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The only reason costs of houses are so high in the first place is because they are lucrative investment objects, along with the fact that the most important part of city (and rural) planning, building homes, is largely left to private companies. You are assuming houses would be just as inaffordable without landlords, which is a problem of the current paradigm and not the one proposed.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A couple of years ago, my boss' father (who founded the company and still worked there on and off) and I had a chat over lunch. I'm not sure how the topic of house prices came up, but he mentioned that when he and his wife bought their house, a car cost more than a house, so you knew that someone was really well off if they had two cars in the driveway.

I think that's the first time I've actually gotten my mind blown. The idea that a car could cost more than a house just didn't compute, and it still doesn't quite sit with me.

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Of course, the general standard of houses decline the further back in time you go, but houses were a lot cheaper back in the days. Below is a figure of housing prices in Norway relative to wages at the time (mirroring the situation almost everywhere in the west):

Factoring in the increased production capabilities over the same period of time, the construction cost of houses are not that much higher. If we designed our communities better and had a better system for utilizing the increased labour power, we could have much more affordable housing and more beautiful and well functioning societies.

Do not let it sit right with you. This future was stolen from you.

[–] Specal@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

There's no reason that local governments can't do this job, there's no need for middle men leaching money.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Based on the way they maintain infrastructure, I'm not certain that's going to work out well either, but then again the status quo ain't working either.

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[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Some of the biggest law breakers and abusive landlords are independent landlords. They're also the ones who don't seem to realize that being a landlord is a full time job where you are the handy man, maintenance, property manager, etc. It's not just collecting a cheque every month, you actually have to earn it.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 years ago

Not really. I don't have to fix things on a monthly basis at my own house. When my parents rented the landlord would have to do something maybe twice a year.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But OP just said it's not a job in the meme. Which is it?

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I'm not op, and the thing is that 99% of independent landlords don't do shit. I was a model tenant at my last place and I'm a handy man by trade so I would actually do every minor repair in my apartment, I would keep that place tip top and never bothered the landlord. He still thought I was a shit tenant and kicked me out as soon as he could because he wanted to charge more for the place.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The problem is that these socalled "viable needs" are treated as and acted upon like they are elective priviledges by charging exhorbitant prices for the properties that are being made available. Blaming the market for it is just passing the buck and not owning up to your own choices in what you charge. I get that the 'market' has some effect on your rates but making it the main driver for your price that reflects the cost of the entire mortgage on the property is what makes you look like a parasite. If you and your tenants shared the cost of a mortgage in a more equitable fashion, i bet there would be fewer complaints.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No, there are plenty of landlord's that are scumbags. It's emphatically not just corporations.

There are countless solutions to your problem, they just don't exist because we have landlord's.

This is a reminder that society as we know it is a mishmash at best, it's not the evolution of humanities best ideas and practices.

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[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (32 children)

I am a landlord and also have a full time job. I also spend my time fixing my units.

With the maintenance cost and taxes, I'm actually losing money or breaking even depending on the year.

My tenants are living in a house that they wouldn't be able to afford on their own in today's market. Being able to live near their work.

So why am I the bad guy?

[–] zaphod@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

My tenants are living in a house that they wouldn't be able to afford on their own in today's market.

Yes, but: why is the market in the state it's in? It couldn't be because a large supply of housing is locked up by landlords, thereby artificially curtailing supply and driving up prices...

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[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Mao was right about many things. But he was most right about Landlords.

[–] Bricriu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I would argue that a live-in landlord that does maintenance work or acts as a building super is in fact doing a job.

Otherwise, agreed.

[–] stanka@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Rental income is considered income, and taxed assuming reasonable tax brackets much higher than investment income (That is to say, caiptal-gains. Interest/Dividends are also taxed at the higher income rate)

The cost of maintaining a livable home, property taxes, insurance, property depreciation, and renter interactions eat into the supposed windfall that landlords make.

I'm not saying it doesn't suck sometimes and that certainly these formulas are out of whack in some situations, but there are no easy answers.

[–] Euphorazine@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Landlords existing isn't a boring dystopia. Pick a different community for the meme.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Found the landlord

[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Folks, there's a difference between a slumlord and a decent landlord. I've owned a house for ten years now, and in addition to the mortgage and taxes and insurance I pay every month for the privelege, I've had to spend tens of thousands replacing the roof and doing other regular maintenance tasks. I'm actually about to dump thirty percent of the original purchase price into more deferred repairs and maintenance to get it back to a point where all the finished space is habitable again. Owning a house is expensive in ways that I did not fully understand until I bought mine, and decent property managers are taking care of all that for you, and if that's not a job I honestly don't know what is.

Slumlords and corporate landlords can fuck right the hell off, though.

[–] GreenTacklebox@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

There is no such thing as a decent landlord.

[–] Amadou_WhatIWant@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How has no comment in this thread yet mentioned Georgism or Land Value Tax? That is the solution to Landlordism

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

A land value tax is a good tool to help ease the transition away from landlords, but it alone is not enough.

Regardless, we definitely should be primarily relying on LVT for government income.

[–] RedditEnjoyer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Landphobia on my Lemmy? It's more likely than you think.

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