We write our haikus
To angrily censure you
Tell me, did that work?
this post was submitted on 11 Mar 2025
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The most radical thing you will ever see a dem do is, having the flag hoisted on 3/4 to indicate grievance, but not the full half because that would be an aggressive act of disobedience
It's wild to me. The crazier the republicans get, the more it's the dems fault. Are the dems perfect? No, not by a long shot. But why waste your time focusing on them? Let's figure out a way to separate the base from trump. We have to get through before it's too late.
That's because they could have done something about it instead of playing stupid fucking games and playing nice with Republicans when they were actually in power and all of this could have been avoided, but here we are and they are still trying to play nice with the actual fucking Nazis instead of being leaders and standing up for their constituents. Hell or even standing up for their own fucking peers, Jesus fucking Christ is it so damn hard for them to have some fucking guts to stand up for what's right rather than trying to put up a facade of civility with the fucking Nazis party? FUCK
As someone who has spoken up numerous times about how "DEMS BAD" is a cop-out, the reason why we 'waste our time' focusing on the Dems is because
Let’s figure out a way to separate the base from trump. We have to get through before it’s too late.
is a fucking pipe-dream.
Trump could - and in his last administration, literally did - kill their loved ones and they would thank him for it.
The Trump 'base'?
They're monarchists.
If only the king knew about the decrees he's been writing and signing and haranguing us to obey.
If only the king knew...
Of course, now that I say that, I should clarify that not all dedicated Republicans are dribbling monarchists who have the approximate civic participation and awareness of serfs.
Some, of course, are outright fascists.
Imo, there's no difference between the ones that go "okay, but I agree under protest" and the ones that urgently push for monarchism. The outcome is the same, the former is just sharing that they lack the conviction to stand for their principles.
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A problem here is that the democrats don't believe that separating Trump from his base is a pipe dream. They seem to believe it's achievable by simply adopting Republican policy. As someone who's spent most of their working life around Republicans, this is would be a laughable idea if it wasn't so embarrassingly naive. There's already DNC staff, strategists, and future presidential candidates talking about how the problem is they're just too radically far left and they really need to move right to recapture the middle-right. Hey, maybe this time they'll convince a whole 0.5% of Republican voters to vote for them instead of 0.3%! I mean, sure, they could motivate their base to show up for something and get way better margins, but then they'd have to make promises and try to keep them, and becoming yesterday's GOP is just so much easier and appealing to their good billionaires.
I think it's more that democratic leadership desperately want to adopt more conservative policies and will use any excuse to do so.
There's a second problem that much of the Dem base is legitimately conservative compared to us.
Moving right is no solution at all - it clearly has no positive results, electoral or practical. But moving left, though a far superior option, is not an automatic fix. Nor an easy one, considering that Dem candidates are chosen by electoral primaries.
Dems aren't bad because they do bad things, they're bad because they're traitors who sided with a fascist over the American people. Dems would side with Reps over you and I in a heartbeat.
the democrats have been gradually floating to the right for decades, and rarely put up any sort of fight against the far right bullshit.. and when they do, they aren't in it together as they need to be. they're unfocused, uncoordinated, and don't cooperate enough within their own party. so yea, it is at least partly their fault. if they don't get their fucking shit together, we're doomed. not just the country. but civilization as we know it.
The crazier the republicans get, the ~~more it's the dems fault~~ worse the Dems are for not doing anything about it
Fixed that for you.
But why waste your time focusing on them
Because they're the only ones with the power to do anything and are supposed to be on our side.
Of course, they're actually on the side of their owner donors whose interests rarely align with ours.
Let's figure out a way to separate the base from trump
You clearly have no idea how powerful cult indoctrination is. As evidenced by both this and your reflexive defense of the AWOL Dems.
We have to get through before it's too late.
There's nowhere near as much of a chance getting through to his own cult than to the people SUPPOSED to oppose his atrocities for a living.
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The Democrats are the opposition. Their job is to oppose. Their opposition must be as forceful as the Republicans’ actions are crazy. Table tennis bat signs are not going to cut it.
Let’s figure out a way to separate the base from trump. We have to get through before it’s too late.
Sounds good, so who should do that first and foremost? The "elected leaders", right?
And what are they doing? Writiting haikus.
Hence the complaints.
It's not that we don't recognize the fault of Republicans, but yelling at them is less effective than mobilizing resources that are supposed to be more accessible to Democrats.
There are tons of campaigning dollars, expertise, and connections locked away behind intransigent Dems.
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Spoiler alert: Jan. 7th, 2021 was too late.
Let's figure out a way to separate the base from trump.
Because it's either inevitable or impossible, depending on how much they choose to dig in their heels. If reality can't convince them they made a mistake, you sure as hell won't. Also, and equally importantly, progressives must unite behind an effective leadership if they expect to get rid of the Trump menace, and the DNC is not effective leadership. Getting progressives and liberals to stop carrying water for them is the first step to bulding real progressive opposition to Trump and hopefully a half-decent government in the aftermath.
I think Trump is going to separate the base from himself on his own. Most of them rely on government aid, and he's trying to kill all of it.
You think MAGA cult members are going to act rationally and change their minds based on what is objectively happening?
He's played at replacing God. If Obama did 1/10th of the anti-Christian shit Trump's done, the evangelicals would have been setting themselves on fire in the street. Dude might as well be the actual anti-Christ for how much he's taken in the evangelicals (remember, the anti-Christ ends up deceiving a bunch of "believers" and actually has wild support). Knowing the MAGAs in my life, there is actually nothing that would change how they feel.
Have the Magas in your life been greatly personally affected by his policies yet?
I can think of a few times, yeah, and they have always done the mental gymnastics to justify it to themselves. One of them got fucked hard by the Trump "tax cuts" and yelled that he wanted Obama back (just about gave the other MAGAs at work a panic attack), but remained an ardent MAGA. It always boils down to something like "Benevolent Dear Leader would stomp on me on purpose. Oh, well, these things will happen, but it'll be worth it in the long run".
I think true, diehard MAGA people aren't as common as it seems. Once they start starving, a majority of them will likely wake up to the fact that at least Musk is the one hurting them (and he's really the one causing the damage).
They will keep voting red, but I don't think the loyalty will last when things get hard for them, and they'll feel it quickly since they're the demographic that'll be hit the hardest.
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Censuring lmao
Republicans work
Like tissue in a sandstorm
Grand old party my ass