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cross-posted from: https://yall.theatl.social/post/3229309

From the Atlanta Daily World:

In a surprising yet increasingly common move, Microsoft has quietly dismantled its team dedicated to diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI).  The decision, communicated via email to the affected employees on July 1, cited “changing business needs” as the reason for the layoffs. While the exact number of employees impacted remains unclear, the team’s lead didn’t … Continued

The post Microsoft Says Bye-Bye DEI, Joins Growing List Of Corporations Dismantling Diversity Teams appeared first on Atlanta Daily World.

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[–] daniyeg@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

companies experimented with appearing more "socially conscious", waited for a bit, saw it didn't generate any extra revenue for them, then axed it to appear more profitable.

capital has gotten really dumb, and if you think any one of these really gave a shit about diversity, you might be dumber.

[–] Cyberjin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Good example is doing pride month, where companies changes their profile picture and so on. They have branches around the world, and some won't do anything, like the middle east. Money talks and companies doesn't give a damn.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think there's that and there's also the growing cancel culture of the right. They're boycotting anything and everything that even smells of equity/diversity. Repugnicans have proved that they can affect businesses and will do so with their army of right wing media viewers so it makes sense that corporations would cater to them.

The left has their grassroots movements, but there is no major media outlet that convinces others to join in on the boycotts. They might report it's happening, but they don't go all Sean Hannity with some version of "they're taking your job prospects and giving it to some undeserving lazy _____ person because they're the real racists and they hate you!"

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is kind of the thing.

Having DEI committees is now one of several symbols of the political ideologies of a company and its "senior leadership".

For both sides, I think a lot of people (or at least those that have the privilege of choosing where they work) do not want to work for a company that directly conflicts with their political leanings.

A far left worker who sees their employer axing their DEI programs could see that as a symbol that the company is swinging hard to the right, and may adapt more conservative practices that may effect them directly. See: Hobby Lobby trying to block their health insurance from covering birth control.

Likewise, a far right worker who sees their employer adopting a leftist program like DEI might start to get concerned that their employer may also start swinging more to the left and adopt progressive practices that might impact them directly. Like paying them a living wage, providing all the PPE they could ever need, or hiring a queer person.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 1 points 1 year ago

...that might impact them directly. Like paying them a living wage, providing all the PPE they could ever need, or hiring a queer person.

Grosssssssss! Ughhh how dare they force their liberal living wage on me!? They're trying to make me transgender with all that free PPE!

[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

It doesn’t help when things are constructed around DEI as the main design principle rather than being actually inclusive. It seeped into nerd culture and struck out in a massive way.

Look at The Acolyte. It’s genuine shit story, the writing was bad, the actors were one-dimensional, and it took the lore in a direction that made no sense. Star Wars stories have been bad to the same degree, but now people get to grab ahold of DEI and blame it for everything else wrong with the show.

[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Companies are stopping because the orange clown supreme court ruled that racists, sexists and bigots could sue companies for not allowing them to hate.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

DEI is like Agile. There’s a right way and a wrong way to do it.

The wrong way is profitable for consultants and easy for the company, so that is what gets implemented in most cases.

The right way requires actual buy-in from C-staff down and needs constant work and adjustment to the specific company. There is no one size fits all solution. More work, less money. Very few companies do this.

[–] notanaltaccount@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

In the future there will probably white people suing for racism based on the existence of dei and the courts are now so racist those lawsuits will be allowed because the same territories that fought for slave ownership during rhe civil war have political leverage via republicans

Dei is now a legal liability instead of protecting against lawsuits. Many companies that are laying off people cant justify keeping dei in that environment when they are laying off people that do work that is closely aligned with the business. Laying off a senior programmer but keeping dei seems a bit unfair and since dei could be a liability why keep it?

There was also pressure to hire more black people in business back in covid times and post-covid and companies did that, with data showing it probably impacted other races getting hired. It's risky for them to keep doing that and likely expensive. Dei was also keeping more data allowing them to get sued to more easily either way. Many employees complained about dei and that it was all for show even when the expense was there.

Its also became synonymous with woke and republicans hate the term. Conpanies only do what the prevailing political winds say so they can fit in with legal compliance enough to keep profiting. They don't care and are mostly an illusion of a logo with greedy people worshipping money behind the veneer.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the fututre there will probably white people suing for racism based on the existence of dei and the courts are now so racist those lawsuits will be allowed. . .

"No future" about it It's been happening for a long time

But these are just two recent examples. They've always ultimately served the same purpose - to defeat legislation or political effort to support minorities.

[–] notanaltaccount@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Youre right. And... Do you think DEI becoming a buzzword in the Republican culture war makes it more or less likely there will be more of those lawsuits?

But yes, at the end of the day, whatever the reason it just means more racism, because bias is often hard to prove and you often can't prove that bias accounts for a lack of advancement, you just feel it, and bias can make getting ahead so much harder in so many ways.

I think Republicans especially hated DEI because it could include trans and LGBT people. The existence of trans people means their made up god is fake, because their fantasy book says Adam and Eve, not Adam Eve and They/Them. If trans people are real, then the magical fantasy book is a lie, and then they've been lied to and fooled and their magic jebus bread didnt really have magical powers and they can't possibly admit to that, so here we are.

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Everything a corporation does that's not outright trying to fuck you out of your time or money is 100% a scam they're trying to pull to convince you they care.

I really wish people would stop falling for it, because, well, there's never going to be real progress made unless there's the force of law behind things like DEI.

[–] glowie@h4x0r.host 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they brag about DEI on marketing pages... That's all the initiative is for. Virtue signalling for sales.

[–] DinosaurSr@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Y'all need to just chill out and have a Pepsi

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The company I work for is tireless about DEI and at least the CEO is personally a big believer. I think the instant he goes, though, the entire thing goes. We have hundreds of people working on it. And they have produced more backlash against DEI than real progress on it. So yeah, there are true believers out there, but the system as a whole doesn’t give a fuck, never did, and there’s never going to come a time when we all turn some corner and want more, more, more DEI staff at work. In my humble opinion the movement is dead already and will be remembered as an artifact of the last decade or so. The actual problem itself will continue to improve, generationally, just as it has done for a hundred years.

[–] wagoner@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That generational improvement is not the natural order of the universe. It's the result of individuals putting themselves in harms way to push for change. It's hard-fought legislation moving the cause forward. It's constitutional amendments. It's legal cases won against the odds. It's corporations jumping on the bandwagon not wanting to be seen to oppose respectable society.

But those who have always fought against the process are racking up wins. That generational change you've observed that looked inevitable is under severe threat. You cannot count on it happening by itself.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And they have produced more backlash against DEI than real progress on it.

That's the thing...it doesn't actually work. It doesn't help anything. It's just virtue signaling. I understand, hypothetically, how a DEI program could help make a company's culture more inclusive, but the vast majority of them just add more buzzwords and red tape and performative resume enhancers.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

virtue signaling

Stop giving this tired interpretation to everything. Not everyone is performing a dance to impress others. I already said that our CEO is a genuine true believer. And it’s not crazy to think that there are people out there who actually care about equality and inclusion. FUCK I get so tired of this “virtue signaling” bullshit. Do you think I’m cussing you out right now to win points with whoever is watching? I promise you I don’t give a fuck.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Republicans are stupid. Like, deeply, fundamentally stupid in a way that's difficult for us to comprehend. So sometimes, they see a phrase invented by smarter people, and they start using it ALL THE TIME, because they're so goddamn stupid that they don't understand that words have meanings. They think words are like spells in Harry Potter, so if a lib says "oogitty boogitty" to them (and that's about the level of comprehension they have; everything new and more than a few syllables might as well be "oogitty boogitty"), then if they just shout "oogitty boogitty" back, they can hurt liberals.

"Virtue signaling" is one of those terms.

But don't let them render the term itself useless, because that's the insidious secondary goal of the bastards promoting this style of bullshit. The goal is an orwellian control of language by associating important phrases with mouth breathing troglodytes so they can essentially delete them from rational people's discussions.

"Virtue signalling" is an elegant term that makes a very salient point about how a lot of us on the progressive side do things. People like you and I should feel free to use the term without the association of the swamp people who shout it but don't know what it means.

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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Almost as if it was a bullshit endeavor all along, just corporate marketing. Those departments are never given the funding or staff required to enact functional change within organizations. Unionize, folks!

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Their main function was to avoid lawsuits, like the rest of HR. I feel like these companies forgot that they were all sued because they discriminated against women and non-white applicants and employees. This is just going to make it easier to prove discrimination in court.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Rather than thinking of it as a cynical farce that was a total lie, can we think of it as perhaps a genuine impulse which was not strong enough to override other business considerations, and which most companies fumbled, and which no company was willing to make material sacrifices for when it came right down to it. I genuinely think a lot of people would like to see true equity at work, but they have no idea how to bring it about, they are too outmatched by other cultural forces, and ultimately they can’t make a convincing business justification for it.

I call it a well-intentioned but doomed escapade. Not a big fat lie.

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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good riddance to HR rubbish.

[–] kevindqc@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Let me guess, white straight man

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it is not an insult that you think it is... just another group of people getting fucked by the owner class lol

i am sorry that some boomer white cuck hurt you tho

[–] kevindqc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lol it's not an insult, I match most of those myself, it's just that it's usually the privileged people who see equity as useless.

This quote comes to mind: when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 1 points 1 year ago

You are implying a lot here and clearly don't understand how DEI was implemented by corporations if you think you are getting "equity" lol

Learn to spot corporate propaganda.

[–] radivojevic@discuss.online 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We should nationalize them and open source all their proprietary code.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

open source all their proprietary code.

We did it once with Win2k...good times.

[–] radivojevic@discuss.online 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was leaked in the early 2000s.

[–] radivojevic@discuss.online 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did anyone ever do anything with it? It probably helped emulators I guess, depending on what code leaked.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It makes things worse for projects like emulators, because of any of the leaked code makes its way into their project, they can get sued. Even if it just looks like they used it to develop it, they can get sued. It's not worth the risk, so projects like emulators will avoid that like the plague.

[–] radivojevic@discuss.online 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, I don’t mean copying code. I mean understanding windows api calls, and how the system works.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right, but if your code happens to look similar to Windows code (which it will), you're open to copyright takedowns, even if you didn't copy a single line. Your best defense is saying you never looked at it.

[–] radivojevic@discuss.online 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's literally how it works w/ WINE development. Here's something very related to it on the WINE forums:

The source code was leaked, not released. Using it would be illegal, which is why I have deleted the links you included in your post. Do not post such things again, or you will be banned.

It's a poison pill for WINE to use leaked source code, so the WINE developers have a strict policy against it. I'm guessing most other FOSS projects in the space feel the same way.

[–] radivojevic@discuss.online 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn’t say use the source. Just see how it works. If you’re trying to emulate the windows api — which is what wine is doing — it helps to have insight.

"Insight" is a liability. The only way this works is if it's done in a "clean room" setup, which is probably more work than not having any access.

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