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Just Stop Oil activist jailed for six months for taking part in slow march [UK] (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

These people keep causing problems and inconveniencing everyone except the people that actually have the influence to do what they want.

The only thing they have accomplished is making "Just Stop" people look like clowns, and making everyone else dislike them and their message.

Just Stop Oil activists are among the worlds ultimate clowns.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, it's the people who are protesting the thing that are wrong, down with them. Jail is too good for them, I saw on the news that five people were a little bit late to work that day, so obviously, we can't stand them.

Maybe you should stomach some of this contempt for the oil companies.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just so you are aware, there are people who believe Just Stop Oil is intentionally trying to make climate activists look bad because some of their funds come from a member of the Getty family. I first became aware of the conspiracy theory when they threw soup on that painting. I do not have the opinion that they demonstrate behavior that is significantly worse than any other group.

I fund climate activism – and I applaud the Van Gogh protest
Aileen Getty

The Just Stop Oil protest shocked the world, but we must take disruptive action on the climate crisis before it’s too late
...
I am the daughter of a famous family who built their fortune on fossil fuels – but we now know that the extraction and use of fossil fuels is killing life on our planet. Our family sold that company four decades ago, and I instead vowed to use my resources to take every means to protect life on Earth.

People often come up with theories about my motivation to engage in the climate movement. My motivation is clear: I am fighting for a livable planet for my family and yours. I am not dwelling on the past. I am looking to build a better future.

-https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/22/just-stop-oil-van-gogh-national-gallery-aileen-getty

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

There's nothing you can say or do to make climate activism palatable to those people. It's best to ignore them, and steamroll them where it counts. The best revenge against them is stopping fossil fuels, and living well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Reminds me of vegans stopping and harassing people going to like a restaurant or fastfood chain.

There is a right way to do and wrong way to do it. Making people mad isn't going to help the cause, but push them in the wrong direction.

https://news.sky.com/story/emergency-vehicles-blocked-by-just-stop-oil-protest-in-west-london-rush-hour-12717957

https://metro.co.uk/2023/07/21/furious-mum-shouts-my-baby-needs-to-go-to-hospital-at-just-stop-oil-activists-19168421/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/21/just-stop-oil-have-blood-hands-woman-dies-dartford-protest/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The suffragettes put acid in postboxes, chained themselves to railings, and bombed the Chancellor of the Exchecquer's house.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A few years ago, I read about how Mary Molony was an Irish Suffragette who disrupted a speech Winston Churchill was giving in Dundee by ringing a bell every time he tried to speak. She wanted him to apologise for remarks he had made about the women's suffrage movement.

I remember when I read this, it reeked of something awesome that you find online that's actually false (the story was shared on social media via a captioned photo with no sources), so I went digging for a proper source to check. I found some newspaper articles from 1908 and I learned that this event did happen, but also that people fucking hated Molony for this. There was a lot of "see, this is why everyone hates the Suffragettes". (Sorry for saying this and then not sourcing)

It makes sense that people would be salty - Churchill was an asshole, but also a great orator, so I can see why one might be disappointed in missing the chance to see him speak, but I was shocked at the level of vitriol aimed at Molony and other Suffragettes from the time. Until this I hadn't realised just how unpopular they were at the time. It's drastically changed my perspective on protests and public perception.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And what's interesting is that the suffragists (Millicent Fawcett chief among them) were at the same time working to peacefully lobby for suffrage, and yet they are not remembered remotely as much as the suffragettes.

What I personally believe is that the more militant wings of movements work best when they are bringing into focus something that the public already broadly believes. When people say 'I agree with their point, but not their methods', they're doing a whole lot of discussion of your issue, and agreeing with your message.

At the same time I think you do need the quiet lobbying to be done to effectively push for specific legislation. Both a carrot to offer government an easy path, and a stick to keep it in the public spotlight.