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Kansas joins effort to stop counting noncitizens in census, but communities fear damage.
(thebeaconnews.org)
Why don't they compromise and only count them as 3/5
this post was submitted on 29 Jan 2025
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This doesn't seem like it ought to be all-or-nothing. Knowing the number of citizens and the total number of residents is useful for different purposes. Electoral votes: citizens. Disaster response: residents. And so on.
Except that's not how the Constitution is currently written:
. . . shall be determined by . . . the whole Number of free Persons . . .
It doesn't mention citizens for apportionment.
Then they have a higher hurdle to clear. All I'm saying is it seems reasonable to give a state representation based on the number of citizens.
I got curious about the size of the issue. The numbers I found for Texas was an estimated 1.6 million illegal immigrants out of a total population of 30.5 million, or roughly 5%. There are 38 reps from Texas, so they'd lose one or two.
And I'm saying it's NOT reasonable to only count citizens.
Since you're curious, in 2022 Texas had 3 million non citizen legal permanent residents (green card holders) that's about twice as many as the number of people immigrating illegally.
All the green card holders came here legally and followed all the rules, but you're wanting to force them to have taxation without representation? That's fucking absurd and un-american.
Neither illegal immigrants, nor non-citizen residents get to vote. In what sense are they represented in either case?
Neither do children, and yet they're still taxed. And non citizens do get to vote in some elections.
To actually answer your question tho, they vote with their feet. If the representative in their area isn't doing what they want, they can move which reduces the population count for apportionment. Your proposal removes that little bit of leverage legal immigrants have to affect change.
Yeah, Republicans are fucking braindead racists.
Noncitizens in your locality use resources, same as citizens. Under their bullshit, a town that had 1 citizen and 10,000 immigrants would be horribly mismanaged.
Which is probably the point, actually.
Yes, they don't want to allocate resources for them.
Undocumented people are still people
If they manage this we should then point to the census whenever they whine about "illegals" since there wouldn't be any. Kinda like when Herr Trumpler wanted to stop testing for covid.
Hi, Dot/Joker/000:
You gonna nuke this account and all conversations attached to the posts, too?
Sounds like I missed something spicy.
They nuked their account, but you can get the gist of it here: https://dubvee.org/post/dubvee.org/2659753
(I restored the post and undeleted it locally, so it should show up)
Ahhh, that makes sense. Thanks!