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I cannot even understand the reasoning of these people. I did not expect "consumption" to be a thing during my lifetime.
Consumption? Check
Weird isolationist grifter president? Check
Anarchists? Hell check
The maga dipshits overshot 1950s and sent us back to 1901, strap in
Only thing different is the nazis are running the USA this time
The Nazis got their ideas from looking at what America did to genocide the natives. Hell even the Spanish american war feels about to break out again because some loudmouth oligarchs seem hell bent on doing imperialism in 2025
Don't forget Jim Crow. The Nazis got a lot of their segregation and eugenics crap from the U.S.
Oh it predates the US. The Crusades eliminated massive numbers of people in the name of Christianity. There have been innumerable cullings through history based on ideas of righteousness, pureness, etc. just because the guys with the power want land.
They were then too.
Hell, lots of people in the US were in the Nazi camp all way up to WWII when we got to see that kind of regime in unfettered action.
McKinley was elected in 1897, seems like they’re approaching target
They just love being consumers
Sorry to put a damper on your Schadenfreude, but this has nothing to do with any maga anti-vaccine laws. Although this outbreak is in Kansas, the TB vaccine is not used in the US, not even in blue states, except in rare special cases.
In the United States, BCG is only considered for people who meet specific criteria and in consultation with a TB expert.
See https://www.cdc.gov/tb/webcourses/TB101/page7181.html and https://www.cdc.gov/tb/hcp/vaccines/index.html
(it's so irritating how people just lap this crap up without an ounce of critical thinking)
I'm Canadian and I had the TB vaccine in 2019 when I asked my doctor if I should have my vaccinations boosted because I was traveling for work. He asked me if I was traveling to third world countries and I said, "Yes, the United States."
He boosted my MMR, my DTP, TB, Hepatitis A and B, Yellow Fever, and added the Pneumococus and Meningitis vaccines.
Did that include the DJT and RFKj vaccine?
Yes. Unfortunately my neighbour is a fascism denier and got badly infected.
This is an interesting point. So what is causing the TB outbreak.
Also, the right doesn't have a monopoly on hearing what they want to hear.
This is true but isn’t it only unnecessary in the US due to herd immunity?
The classic third world experience is having the mark on your bicep.
No, there has never been a widespread TB vaccination program in the United States. In fact if you work in an at risk industry (such as Healthcare) you'll be required to submit to routine testing that will tell if you've ever had an exposure to the vaccine or actual TB. 90+ percent of people will be negative to this test, indicating they've never had TB or the TB vaccine.
Thanks for checking. It's so easy to believe the things that fit your own worldview.
n widely recommended in the
yup the evidence on the TB vaccine had been pretty iffy and many argued that lowered TB exposure and infection rates were due to better population nutrition and improved air quality. That said, most other countries still use BCG in the world.
Except we don't typically vaccinate people in the US against TB.
Few healthcare workers even get that particular jab.
More than you'd think. TB has geographic ties, so people in known high-risk areas generally get BCG, especially healthcare workers and people with autoimmune diseases.
The point stands, though. TB can come from unexpected vectors and there is no traditional vaccine offered to the public. Until that happens, it doesn't make as much sense to blame tuberculosis on a state that may also be making boneheaded decisions regarding vaccines in general. Just the ones who would say no when it was offered.
I am now taking a hard look at voluntarily getting this vaccine for sure.
Even the CDC website says that the tuberculosis vaccine is not commonly used in the US.
And Kansas is not a high-risk area.
Yes. I have had every recommended childhood vaccine and get annual flu and COVID vaccines. I have never had a TB vaccine, nor been recommended to get one.
https://www.cdc.gov/tb/vaccines/index.html
A TB outbreak in Kansas is of course a massive concern, but relating it to their vaccine exemption law? Did they outlaw TB testing, because that's something that used to be routinely done for school admission.
I can't recall our GenA kids needing the weird stabby test I had to take when I was a kid but honestly didn't even think about it before now.
I'm a millennial and my college required that test prior to enrolling in classes. That was the first time I took the (rather distressing, tbh, maybe they should have to warned me) skin inflatey test.
I just looked and my college still requires that test. So, might just be a regional thing. Grad school in the same state didn't require the test, so maybe it had to do with staying in the dorms in undergrad?
My father almost died from polio as a child. I’d not be born had that happened. I hold special contempt for these society-harming shitbags.
Somewhere, John Green is just raging.
I mean isn't he pretty consistently in Indianapolis.
Make America La Bohème again
This is happening in the KC Metro. For those celebrating illness in a red state, this is US House District for Sharice David’s, a seat that we flipped blue in 2018
It's too bad that the biggest victims are the children of these idiots. Once again we see that Regan kicked us down this hill, and all the Republicans are cheering on the sidelines as it sets them all on fire.
Thanks, Trump
I get your point, but let's leave the thanks to Obama, who actually did a lot of good things.
I think a more appropriate phrase, useful every few seconds for at least the next 4 years, is "What the fuck, Trump?"
Stupidity come with a price my friends
So, should I get this vaccine? and how?
Probably not, but your doctor would have the best answer to both questions.
I dont have health insurance or a doctor
Oof. I guess trust the CDC on this one unless you are at high risk of contracting TB.
The CDC can't legally brodcast reports and warnings currently
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/hhs-memo-cdc-report-communications-trump-team-rcna188733
Until Feb 1st
The vaccine info is still up. This was referenced elsewhere in the thread. The TB vaccine is not and has never been widely recommended in the US.
Find out, yes. Fuck around and find out.