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A golf course less than eight miles away from the hottest point on the entire planet. (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by radicalautonomy@lemmy.world to c/aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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It opened in 1931 and underwent a major renovation in 1997. Apparently, the water usage is sustainable (see below), but it still doesn't excuse the fact, in my mind, that continuing to support the upkeep of a green-ass golf course at the edge of Death Valley shows how out-of-whack its patrons are with the changing climate.

"In an area as hot and dry as Death Valley, balancing water usage with conservation requires significant planning. Furnace Creek and its namesake resort exist in their location because natural spring water flows from nearby mountain ranges to create an oasis. By routing the water from one point to others, the resort’s goal is to use the same molecules of water for several purposes. The spring-fed water is first used at the Inn to irrigate gardens and supply the swimming pool which was designed with a flow-through system that minimizes chemical use. That water then continues downhill to the Ranch where it fills the ponds on the golf course, providing habitat for local and migratory wildlife. The water in the ponds then irrigates the golf course." - How Xanterra’s Furnace Creek Resort is Sustainable, greenlodgingnews.com

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[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

This doesn’t sound like a dystopia to me. Having a sustainable oasis in the middle of the desert is actually pretty badass.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You are mad and calling this dystopic but ... it's specifically been made to work in its location? Isn't this exactly what we want our environmental changes to support?

Shouldn't this be a sort of utopic example? "Look what we can do if we think carefully about interacting with our environment.'

If it's all lies or something, bring the evidence and I will be there supporting you. Otherwise, what is it you want, exactly?

[–] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It doesn't need to exist. It is a tourist location. That's why this is here. People charter flights to fly out to there to see Death Valley and play golf at the lowest golf course on Earth. I'm not discontent with a golf course being there, more that people insist on going to see the hottest place in the world and the driest place in North America because there's more to do that just say, "Hoo boy, sure is pretty and hot and pretty hot." It just adds to an ever-worsening climate. And, I know...corporations, not people, are mostly responsible for climate change...I get it. But surely there are better uses for this runoff water than a golf course.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Guess everyone should just stay home until the whole world is bland and homogeneous but equitable.

[–] Crowfiend@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean people don't have to just stay home to get close to a golf course that isn't *literally siphoning the only source of sustainance for hundreds of miles."

There's a golf course down the street from me, on a main road to one of two local hospitals, surely you can find one within the nearest 10mi and if you can't? You probably have bigger things to worry about than swinging a club at a 1inch sphere at your feet.

If you're visiting a country that doesn't have enough grass to sustain pissing on a tree, you're going to the wrong places for golf.

[–] rockstarmode@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you're visiting a country that doesn't have enough grass to sustain pissing on a tree, you're going to the wrong places for golf.

I'm not sure I understand? Did you mean county?

It sounds like this course is located at a natural oasis fed by a natural spring. If the course wasn't there the water would probably feed some plant life and a bit of wildlife. With proper management it's likely that their water use is more efficient than it would have been naturally. It isn't unusual for resource aware golf courses to actually improve biodiversity in a region while being water consumption neutral.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yup, sure, it increases biodiversity by using foreign plants in a monoculture. That grass wasn't there before, so it's more diverse now you see?

[–] rockstarmode@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Golf courses aren't just grass, they plant all sorts of other vegetation, much of it native. This supports native wildlife that wouldn't otherwise be there.

Have you ever actually been to a responsibly managed golf course? Many in the southwest US are run this way, and tons more are moving in that direction to reduce water use.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This supports native wildlife that wouldn't otherwise be there.

Then it wasn't native was it?

[–] rockstarmode@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

You must be trolling.

Birds, insects, and reptiles are common even in the desert. A species can be native to an ecosystem or region, without naturally occuring in an small locality.

If humans manage water more efficiently than nature would have in this locality, it stands to reason that the resulting local ecosystem would be able to attract and support more native wildlife.

This is observable and provable for golf courses which manage their resources with a focus on limiting their natural resource use and increasing local biodiversity.

You just hate golf courses, which is fine, but you sound pretty uninformed.