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[–] Shard@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We're angry about unbridled end-stage capitalism

Just like with everything in life, there's a right amount of something and its not zero. Properly regulated free market is probably the best economic system we've come up with. I challenge you to come up with a better system.

Its the fact that we've voted in greedy leaders and have such lax rules about lobbying and open bribery that's allowed so much shit to happen.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Greedy people vote for greedy leaders. Money mattered more than morals in at least the last federal elections since 2000.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

This might be a better system.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"There was a famine in China, which means we now only can have the most extreme forms of capitalism!" - 70% of the propaganda.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"It's either fully privatised Healthcare or it's Stalinism"

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[–] gravityowl@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

You can tell by some of these comments

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The only real problem I have with capitalism is the people that refuse to consider any other way of operating, refuse to rein it in, or immediately make it a binary choice between capitalism and “scary” communism.

Economic systems don’t need to be corralled into boxes and never be allowed cross lines. The people forcing that take are the ones profiting from the status quo, by power and/or wealth.

Any of the systems can be combined, the problem is fight against greed that makes people bend the system to funnel power money to a specific group. Whether it be the dictator and his cronies or a bunch of oligarchs. If this cannot be prevented, then no system will work without eventually crushing the average person.

[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

No....not everyone hates capitalism. Everyone hates uncontrolled capitalism.

Socialism isn't some magical bandaid that will make everything better. It has a shit ton of it's own problems and downfalls...nearly all of which are conveniently glossed over by leftists.

[–] buttfarts@lemy.lol 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hate that people are shit and will ruin any economic/political system no matter how high-minded it may have otherwise been.

Similarly capitalism wouldn't be a burning pile of diapers and old wigs if those involved didn't have a complete and total disregard-bordering-on-antipathy for humanity and the common good.

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[–] gravityowl@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

You clearly have never read anything about it, so I’d be curious to know specifically which part of socialist theory you disagree with.

Everyone hates uncontrolled capitalism

Yeah, that's capitalism. By definition, capitalism demands to be uncontrolled and without rules to bring the most profit. So when you're done pulling stuff out of thin air, let us know

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago
[–] atro_city@fedia.io 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Socialism and capitalism have a lot of overlap. This belief and meme that they are completely separate is incredibly simple-minded and indicative of US thinking patterns. US Americans have had it beaten into their heads that there are only two sides for so long that it permeates their very being.

To have a fair system, components of multiple philosophies and systems will have to be mixed. Treating capitalism as all bad is plain dumb.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

"Everything is fucked.... how can this be?!"

[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Socialism won't keep dragons from hoarding their gold. You would just be taken advantage of for the same thing, your labor, through a different channel.

[–] gravityowl@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Which channel specifically are you referring to?

Your comment smells of "enlightened cantrist trying to sound reasonable (but failing at it)"

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[–] Brahvim@lemmy.kde.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As an Indian guy, I-
Yes...

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Well, sometimes events pushed into motion or accelerated by a "root cause" develop lives of their own. Without concerted effort neither with capitalism nor with the absence/alternative of/to capitalism will we solve climate change or patriarchy.

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