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Biden commutes most federal death row sentences to life in prison before Trump takes office. (www.cnn.com)
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[–] [email protected] 89 points 3 months ago (1 children)

For the lazy:

the president did not commute the sentences of three people whose crimes included mass shootings or acts of terrorism: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, one of two brothers responsible for the deadly Boston Marathon bombing in 2013; Dylann Roof, a White nationalist who massacred nine people at a historically Black church in Charleston, South Carolina, in 2015; and Robert Bowers, who killed 11 worshippers at Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life Synagogue in 2018.

I don't agree with the death penalty on principle, so I understand why he didn't commute those sentences, but I still think he should have.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If he commuted those sentences, though, the narrative would focus on how Biden was being soft on mass murderers, and not on the death penalty itself.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (15 children)

Who cares? He doesn't need to appear "tough on crime" for reelection.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Idiots will condemn the entire American democratic party because of it though. Either way.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Apparently Americans can't remember what happened four years ago, so this wouldn't even register by the next election cycle.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Considering Biden’s actions with Israel, he is soft on mass murderers

[–] [email protected] 71 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Morally it’s the right thing to do in my eyes. It’s also surprising how the pro life and pro death penalty people are the same people usually.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Pro life only lasts until you're born. After that it's pro death.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

There's a very bad joke o remember hearing a long time ago. It's something along the lines of: "I'm in favor of killing babies, but I don't like to give women a choice." Most pro-life people actually are that, except they extended "baby" way before birth in a stupid way. They're fine with killing actually post-birth babies though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

He didn't commute the one Boston bomber, Dylan Roof, and the Tree of Life shooter. Which is good. I don't agree with the death penalty but you can't really pardon people like that.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It's not a pardon. They would still be subject to the harshest punishment possible in civilized countries, and would never again be a threat to anyone.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Most civilized countries have abolished the death penalty

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

Thank you for clarifying my point.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

And the confusion here is exactly why it would have been a PR nightmare. The average American is really stupid.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Well I more just mean HE couldn't because probably that would be unpopular with the groups who were targeted by them.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think you can, especially when the sentence is still life in prison. Remember that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt, so they would not ever be paroled.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

These weren't pardons, but commuted sentences. I don't know what the stipulations surrounding that are

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt

This was true, but that no longer applies. (at least at the federal level; I have no clue how state courts have ruled on this.)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Well I have to admit I agree with the court there. A pardon should not be an admission of guilt. So even though that changes what I said, I have to concur with them. Thank you for letting me know.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I actually have a friend who’s quite… strange. He’s pretty right wing, very into certain conspiracy theories, pro musk, etc, yet one of the nicest guys you’ll meet and certainly the guy you’d be calling to bail you out of jail in a pinch. Anyways, he actually opposes the death penalty exactly because he’s pro life. Said he couldn’t reconcile both of those stances.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

That's good! That means he's at least a reasonable person. He can think for himself and can consider if ideas are idiologically consistent. I hope that eventually translates to him having empathy with people and then noticing how conservative politics fucks people over just for the sake of having an enemy though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

It's only surprising if you know nothing about the group beyond the inaccurate name they use to identify themselves

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Should preemptively pardon luigi

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Biden is a corporatist, he is literally not on our side with that one.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I know, I Said should not would. Who knows the person puppeting him weekend at Bernie's style might?

Look I need something to hope for lmao.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Lmfao "with that one"

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Of course, Trump will have millions of death row sentences to hand down once they find out how expensive those concentration camps are and how long it will take to get countries to be willing to take all of those millions of people back and decides to come up with a Final Solution.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We already have a well-developed forced labor prison infrastructure, and there will be plenty of farm work to do. The camps will pay for themselves, and enrich big corporations in the process.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Yep, lots of people are going to make lots of money off of this. Just not the brown people working in the fields. I guess this is what the GOP means when talk about the good old days.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Isn't the expense of the camps part of the intent?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure the intent is genocidal fascism.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Why not both?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And Super Brother of Mario?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Gotta have a sentence before a commutation or pardon, I believe.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Nixon didn’t before his pardon, but I suspect it would be necessary for a commutation.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Don't worry Trump has a plan for Dylan Roof and Robert Bowers that doesn't involve them getting executed.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

To hear it from the conservative side of my family ... "Is there no limit on how many people he can commute?" and "There's no way he's able to sign all those letters, he can barely keep his eyes open."

I don't know how accurate it is, but they were saying he has already freed 1,500 people. I asked how many of those people were convicted of non-violent drug related charges, and they did not know nor did they seem to care. I thought that was interesting given some of my relatives', shall we call it, histories.

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