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In 4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!) and its cross-posts, quite a few people said things like "maybe racism is a problem on Mastodon, but I don't see it on Lemmy." Then again, plenty of comments in the various threads were in fact examples of racism on Lemmy, so one takeaway is that at lot of people don't see racism even when they're looking at it. And helpful commenters pointed out some of the other patterns of racism on Lemmy. ... but that wasn't really the thrust of that discussion.

So I wanted to ask more generally, what are some of the examples you've seen of racism on Lemmy? Quotes and links are great, but also feel free just to describe examples or call out more general patterns!

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[–] Jimbo@yiffit.net 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have seen extremely little racism on Lemmy, but my instance is defederated from those places (.ml, Hexbear etc.) they blocked us themselves so we didn't even have to do anything. So I definitely dont have the whole picture.

[–] thenexusofprivacy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Good point, thanks. It's great that mods are blocking sources of racism, although also means that people who don't see can wind up thinking that there isn’t any racism.

[–] Jimbo@yiffit.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's great that mods are blocking sources of racism

Or sources of racism are blocking lefties, hah

Whatever works! lol

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 2 years ago

I don't typically see it on here and when I do I report that shit

Facebook, Reddit, and YouTube? Every day, Facebook loves to tell me how it doesn't violate their rules though.

[–] rimu@piefed.social 28 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Reasons why racism on Lemmy is less of an issue:

  • There are only a few Lemmy instances - those that harbor racism are easily defederated from.
  • Downvotes make bad content easy to detect, even if not reported.
  • Content is posted into communities, which have moderators. Hashtags on Mastodon are un-moderated.
  • Unlike mastodon, replies are sent to all instances so visibility is higher. No hiding in obscurity.
  • Federated networks tend to have a central hub - Lemmy.world is well moderated, unlike mastodon.social.
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[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 27 points 2 years ago

If you want to see racism just check the modlog. My favourite feature on Lemmy.

[–] Phenomephrene@thebrainbin.org 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Mostly what I see with any level of frequency is troll posters spamming intentionally inflammatory memes in apparently random communities. I've reported and blocked every post like this that I've come across.

Thanks! Yeah, one of the dynamics is that when people quickly report and mods take the posts down quickly, most people don't see them ... which is good, but also means that it's easy to believe that there isn't any racism.

[–] braindefragger@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[–] ilovecheese@feddit.uk 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There's currently only 1 user that I've noticed that keeps bringing race up.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is it the person who posted this?

[–] ilovecheese@feddit.uk 9 points 2 years ago

How did you guess?

[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 9 points 2 years ago

I've not seen any, but I'm also not subscribed to the kind of communities that would be prone to it. I did still manage to get some transphobia directed at me, which is wild because I'm cis.

That's the thing with the fediverse, every instance has a slightly different view of the thing as a whole. That's why picking an instance that aligns with your values matters. You're not going to see much of that on blahaj or beehaw because those users get banned quickly, and problematic instances are defederated as a whole. The matching opposite instances exist too, some are made to be safe heavens for the extreme right, with all the *ism and *phobias going on there.

I recommend people of color to pick instances that supports them, which in turn means they have admins watching their back and shutting down racism quick.

The fediverse will have every problem that plagues other social medias, and it will be worse because unlike Reddit/Twitter, there isn't a centralized authority to say no, that's enough. The only way to deal with it is most big instances saying no and defederating those, but it'll never go away fully, just hidden away.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

This is a pretty left-leaning platform, so you don't generally see 'outright' racism.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I haven’t noticed that much racism on lemmy. (I’m not including .ml and grad and hexbear as they are different). Obviously like anywhere, it does exist and your linked post is an example of it.

I have noticed more ableism and sometimes a little (soft) misogyny. But both at a level much lower than reddit.

You are the living embodiment of cringe wokeness and the fact that you're being downvoted even on a left-wing platform where basically everyone is already against racism should make you question some of your life choices.

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