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[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I do listen to "both" sides! That's exactly why I'm a leftist!

I don't get why centrists think that you have to be "centrist" to listen to both sides, or why doing so makes you a centrist.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There are no centrists when one side is fascism.

[+] ilovesatan@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The problem is you think anyone to the right of Stalin is a Nazi.

Edit: I'm glad my manic commenting this morning sparked such wonderful debate.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Many major gov'ts currently have major parties courting fascists or are just outright Fascist. Like, have you not been paying attention?

[–] ilovesatan@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And? Did I say that wasn't happening? Believe it or not, refusing to engage in diplomacy doesn't make the problem go away. And they say centrists bury their heads in the sand.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Centrists to fascists aren't centrists"

"You just label anyone as Fascist"

"There's a huge amount of fascists right now"

"Irrelevant!"

... what? I'm sorry, I can't tell if you're making a point or if you're just reacting to comments as they come in. Cause that response made no sense in the greater context. I can't even tell what point you're trying to make at this point.

[–] ilovesatan@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Then let me spell it out for you.

We, as leftists, tend to ignore authoritarians that attach themselves to our movement. I'm talking Marxists, Maoists, etc. These are people who aplogize for mass murderers. When they show up to rallies, they are welcomed. Democrat leaders cozy up to them. I see it happen regularly.

We then turn around and accuse the right of courting facism. This is the right thing to do, but we also need to take a look in our own camp. I don't want authoritarians of any flavor.

[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

According to this comment, YOU should be downvoting yourself for your previous two comments.

You straight out suggested we should be diplomatic with the Far Right.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm at a dead loss as to how your previous two comments relate to this at all. Maybe it's my neurospiciness showing, but I can't connect this thesis with your previous comments in any way.

Also, don't say "let me spell it out for you", it just comes across as condescending. It's like you're saying it's so obvious that this was the point you were making when I just stated my confusion on your point. My confusion is an opportunity for you to clarify, not be a dick about it.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Apparently their argument is that left-wingers in general love tankies, which in my experience isn't true at all.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have family members who refer to me as Cassandra because I regularly spout "inane nonsense" about the future which then inevitably becomes true.

I don't have a gift or a crystal ball. I have two eyes and (sadly) a working brain and the werewithal to study history and put one and one together.

We aren't geniuses by any stretch of imagination. It's just extremely sad and painful to see almost everyone else keep going with the (just) bearable lies vs the distinctively unbearable truth.

[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Cassandra... in Greek mythology was a Trojan priestess dedicated to the god Apollo and fated by him to utter true prophecies but never to be believed. In modern usage her name is employed as a rhetorical device to indicate a person whose accurate prophecies, generally of impending disaster, are not believed.

For those who were also wondering

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

"Surely we can find some common ground between the Final Solution and the status quo?" —centrists

[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Both sidesism is so stupid.

"Oh let me hear the fascist nazi's side that's trying to kill trans people as a scapegoat! I am so enlightened and balanced to be hearing this side too!"

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Here is the thing: always listening to both sides of the argument is a good policy, but remember that you are under no obligation to agree with both sides. Yes, on some issues both sides have valid points, but on other issues one side is completely bogus and once you realize it you should not pretend that it isn't.

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I got into leftism BECAUSE I listened to both sides of the spectrum (i used to be a right winger) not in spite of it

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

* Boasts about listening to both sides of the argument *
* Doesn't even bother to read and understand the Xweet they are replying to *

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago

Everyone who claims to be a centralist is like that. They're not a centralist they're just a ostrich sticking its head in the sand.

There's no sensible debate to be had about whether the climate crisis is happening. The Right don't have anything to offer the conversation because they deliberately refuse to debate sensibly on it.