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I updated the trolley experiment now that the never ending flood of public shootings found a target... (lemmy.world)

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 79 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I hadn't thought of it until you mentioned all the public shootings, but a lot of mass shooters just want to be remembered for something. Turning the New York shooter into a folk hero is going to inspire a lot of armed crazy people.

Makes me wonder if now we get reasonable gun control.

[–] AreaKode@lemmy.world 76 points 1 year ago (2 children)

CEO shootings are now just a fact of life in America...

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago

Don’t do that, don’t give me hope

[–] Wiz@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

Nuthin we can do about it, I guess. 🤷

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I recall, gun control laws in nazi Germany were loosened, but only for nazi party members.

I'm sure they'll craft something that keeps them out of the hands of everyone but the SA and SS.

[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Yeahhhh but that's like the FP-45 Liberator gun going up against an AK, let alone tanks and drones. Nobody is using plastic guns for a reason, forgetting the fact that the plastics supply could be tamped and they still require machined parts if the new nazi party really wanted to crack down on that. Leaving aside that the printers necessary to do this so it won't blow up in your face are not exactly low-level consumer-grade and easily controlled on the market. At that point we're basically back to pipe guns.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

It's from the 1990s but still relevant.

"War And Anti-War" by Alvin Toffler. Even before 9/11 he predicted that there'd be a major war against a non-government entity like ISIS. He used the term 'anti-war' to mean a war completely different from the old style of conflict.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I knew I bought a C&C machine for a reason, other than it was used and only $1500

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Damn, good deal!

[–] FindME@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 1 year ago

Just don't mention the four winds shotgun, and we'll make it through these difficult times together.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

Hmmmm...

Mass shooters stop targeting schools and start going after the 0.01%?

That's one way to get gun control.

[–] 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm thinking 2 more CEOs and we get the Republicans calling for gun control.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd give it 3, just to be contrarian.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

A Baker's Dozen even

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Ugh, and what you just wrote makes me think that the right wing is probably predictably talking about how much of a leftist the killer was and trying to find any way to play up just what a Democrat they must have been. Because it must be thrilling for them to have the rare kind of political violence happen: the kind not perpetrated by a right winger.

[–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, America never will. The NRA lobby is too strong. You'd have to completely outlaw lobbyists first.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

Exactly. Republicans will just push for more funding for police officers.

[–] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Nah, that's silly, clearly the situation didn't have enough guns. /s

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago

I think the meme needs to be changed with the guy with the lever also being strapped to the bottom track.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

oh rats it's the trolley problem

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

"i didn't consider the trolley"

[–] Junkernaught@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't the trolley problem meant to be a dilemma? Not seeing a dilemma in this version.

[–] snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

In this case it's a metaphor

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is the guy at the switch frowning???

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

They hit their lifetime limit for insurance and have cancer.

[–] RedIce25@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You fooling yourself if you don't think we'll go down either way, we just gotta force the corporate class down with us

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 points 1 year ago

Well the people are still gonna get run over, but that might change if enough of the corporate class get run over too. Worth a shot

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

No dilemma here, but good meme I guess?

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

it needs like a whooe group of people pushing the lever...
clear gap in the tracks with "sound waves" like 'click' indicating they're all switching to the side track collectively.

[+] Pronell@lemmy.world -28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

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[–] MartianSands@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you imagine that everyone posting things like this just hasn't thought it through, or that they believe killing that CEO will save any specific person?

If so, I think you've misunderstood something quite fundamental. The overwhelming majority who are celebrating this assassination are doing so because they hate that CEO and everything he stood for.

You don't get to brush them off as idiots for failing to realise something you consider obvious when you're the one who seems to be missing the point.

Beside which, if you interpret this business with the other insurer suddenly cancelling their plans to limit what they'll pay for anesthesia as suddenly fear of reprisal then this assassination will absolutely save lives in the long run, and save others from life-long financial ruin

[–] Josey_Wales@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let me guess… you work for a corporation with a health plan that meets you and your family’s medical needs?

[+] Pronell@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Killing an executive does not change this. It's asinine to think that it does and celebrate murder.

If you are looking at this as a philosophical victory, you do not know a fucking thing about the 'trolley problems'. Or philosophy.

I 100% get the anger at insurance companies. This is a fucking stupid take.

[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] Pronell@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And there I agree with you. It's the trolley problem framing that is so infuriating.

As soon as people decide they can move the trolley with a bullet, a whole lot of people are gonna die. And the trolley will continue on unabated, because bullets don't do that.

[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] Pronell@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You do have a point there. What I was predicting was that the targets would quickly become "anyone we don't like" and then the trolley comes for us all.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Lol, weren't you just complaining about people misusing the trolley problem.....and now you're worried about the trolley becoming the star of Steven kings Christine?

The trolley problem isn't a law or anything. It's literally just a tool for kids to explore questionable ethical dilemmas, and it doesn't really apply to the real world. Which means it's perfectly suitable for shit posting memes.

[–] Josey_Wales@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Democracy @ Work- Labor Unions and Political Power

Give it a watch. Hopefully it will give you another way of understanding this event.

The state used bullets (cops with a monopoly on the use of violence to shape societal behavior, elevating the power of the $ over individual voices in politics, etc) to keep the trolly on the tracks. Of course removing a conductor doesn’t stop a trolly in motion. But that’s not what this is about.

If you want to pretend that this event is about a healthcare CEO and healthcare policy you need to check your benefits to see if it includes vision. This is about trying to wake up the majority of wage slaves that earn for scraps by defending the top. And guess what? The general social reaction is showing that many people feel this way.

Takes like yours seem designed to get this event out of public consciousness as fast as possible.

[–] Josey_Wales@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

How them boots taste?

Juxtaposition of a recent news even in which the CEO of a health insurance company was killed and the next day a major insurance company reversed an arbitrary limit on the duration of anesthesia suring surgery that its policies would cover

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The meme very clearly says "corporate class", meaning this will take many CEOs to ultimately save people.