"But you'll ruin..."
No the fuck you won't. They ruined it with their choices and actions. He'll face consequences for what he did, not for what someone else said.
this post was submitted on 03 Nov 2026
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It's coming from the same cohort of people who lynched black men for looking the wrong way at a white woman. There's no unforgivable deed to them, only in groups and out groups.
Conservative morality is built on the principle that there are good people and bad people. Everything the good people do is good; everything the bad people do is bad. And it's not just rhetoric, they actually see the world this way.
It's why they can be outraged about a tan suit, but not give a shit about hosting a closed-door meeting with known Russian spies. Wearing a tan suit was done by a bad person, so it's bad. Meeting with Russian spies was done by a good person, so it's good.
Their morality is defined not by their actions, not by the consequences of their actions, nor even the intention of their actions -- it's defined by identity. If you're part of the 'good people' group, you can do no wrong, and even if you do terrible things, it was probably for the benefit of the good people group, so you're forgiven. If you're part of the 'bad people' group, nothing you do is ever good enough, and even the slightest deviation from any norm will be treated as an act of pure evil, and if you ever do anything that seems good, it must be a trick, nothing but false pretenses.
It's deeply intertwined with religion, where they first learn such morality: everything God does is good because (by definition) God is good. 'Good' is defined in relation to godliness. Everything Satan does is bad because (by definition) Satan is evil. If something good happened to you, God did it. If something bad happened to you, Satan did it. When that forms the basis of your morality, it begins to extend into in-groups and out-groups, and that's where you get mainstream conservative morality from.
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Why should the guy that got away with rape be the same guy to decide what's fair.
I was reading a story on 'why are fraternities even still allowed' and it brought up that every judge talked to about the Stanford case had geek letters in their office from their fraternity, then I remember this legal advice I got once, it went like this 'wait till your trial is appointed a judge, find out what fraternity said judge was in, then look for a lawyer who was also in that fraternity. ' apparently it's VERY effective. So yeah... it's actually really crazy.
I hate that I feel like I should remember this advice.
I've heard it works a lot better than silly things like innocence, honesty, integrity, and all THAT horse shit.
That's put perfectly thanks
"You will ruin that rapist's life!"
No, he ruined his own life.
If the truth would ruin their life, then their decision already did. Your silence only harms their next victim.
"But you'll ruin that young man's life if you report him..."
Good.
To add to that: it'd be really neat if being reported for SA didn't ruin the abuser's life but instead fixed whatever is wrong with them so that they don't come out of prison 10 years later and do it again. Some of these people are pathologically dangerous. They go to prison criminals and come out criminals. Some.
They have them in there for years and do barely anything to change them. They just "store them" there and then let them back out for society to deal with them.
That "abolish prisons" policy, I believe by the US dem-socs, doesn't sound all that bad when you think about all the different ways prison fails us. Some countries have near 50% overall rates of reoffending.
The whole Defund The Police and Ending Prisons isn't about doing away with them altogether. The most radical leftist knows that would be stupid. But warehousing criminals, as they get more and more sociopathic/psychopathic, isn't a healthy system for a healthy society.
People want the visceral satisfaction of a just punishment, but that's a wasted opportunity. We have a person that has gone down a bad road, and we have the choice of helping them get back on track, or not. Society is improved with the latter, so shouldn't we adopt that strategy, rather than just punishing?
There are going to be people who are irredeemable, that's just reality. Serial killers, out-of-control psychopaths, child molesters, etc, can't be helped, and those people have to be warehoused. But most people can respond to rehabilitation, as prisons in Europe prove. Their recidivism rate is far, far lower than ours.
We have been doing the wrong things for many years, just because they look good in the media, or make ignorant voters feel good. In ALL things, we should be looking at what other nations are doing right, and start adopting those strategies. I'm sick of our country doing stupid shit, just because we've always done it that way, and it makes the worst people in America happy.
I remember once seeing a news story where someone who had just gotten out of prison murdered someone. People in the comments were saying he shouldn't have been let out. How after years in prison, of course he's going to be dangerous. Gotta love when the tough on crime people accidentally realize the futility of the prison system.
The goal SHOULD be to make criminals into productive members of society. Unfortunately, the actual goal in many places is to make criminals keep reoffending to make more money for the business of incarcerating people. Or sometimes the goal is just to punish, with no thought about the long-term utility. Some people just think some people deserve to suffer and don't care about the utility for society. It's the same reason they oppose social safety nets.
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Unfortunately here in Britain we had a big run of trials that collapsed when it was revealed the accusations were false, nevertheless irrevocably ruining the defendants’ reputations. This sort of prosecutorial incompetence serves to muddy the waters and lead genuine victims to doubt themselves, and well-meaning confidants ro err on the side of what they consider to be caution.
Ideally, a performant justice system and use of blanket media reporting restrictions to protect defendants until conviction would allow such determinations as “ruining someone’s life” to the prosecutors and the jury and save personal anguish on the part of the complainant.
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So weird that people want to use this logic for SA, but not for stuff like non-violent drug offenses.
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A lot of people can't read.
This isn't about false accusations.
It's not that they can't read, they're bringing it up specifically to cast doubt on victims and give plausible deniability for rapists.
It'd be more accurate to say he ruined his life and the life of the person who had to report him for it.
Never mind that coming forward with allegations against powerful men ALSO ruins the victims life in highly patriarchal societies. Hell, half the time, the victims are ruined and the predators are celebrated for “beating the allegations.”
Like I need people to understand, NO ONE has ever become rich and famous by accusing a rich person of sexually assaulting them.
If they change, really change, pay their dept so society and become a better person, they can still go on to those offices. But at least their behavior is on record and people can check IF they actually have become a better person.
If you don't report them, you don't trigger that mechanism, they don't change and we don't check as thoroughly. Report them. If it ruins their life, then it's because they remained a shitty person.
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Strong Brock Allen Turner vibes in the first half.
“Won’t someone PLEASE think of the rapists?” is the weirdest and most repulsive defense I’ve ever heard, even if it’s always couched as an innocent little manchild who made a teensy little mistake that totally wasn’t his fault anyway.
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I'm all in to ruin convicted rapist that already proven with all required evidence in court regardless of age,race or gender.
It is different from ruining innocent fate of promising youth on baseless accuse.
This is about encouraging victims to come forward. Sexual assault and rape have very low reporting numbers.
Encouraging the victim to come forward should always accompanied with proper channel or organizational help to do so, kinda don't make sense encouraging them to come forward alone.
Good. Those type of disgusting things who don't deserve to call themselves men will grow up to become disgusting things like pedo-protecting republikkkans.
I'm fine with this, as long as false charges are just as severely penalized.
If the truth can ruin the perpetrator's life, then the truth should ruin the accuser's life when appropriate
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